Maybe a better way to say it would be roster management (which stems from recruiting and development) of the QB position. Just last spring our QBs included: Blake Sims, Luke Del Rio, Alec Morris, Cooper Bateman, Parker McLeod, David Cornwell and Jake Coker. I understand we had a few of those transfer out but it seems like having 7 QBs at one time is a bit excessive..
This.
So, what is your magic number? Three of four? If so, those few guys really need to be high-quality, don't you think? I'd rather have too many than not enough. All day long. And on that, last year and the year before folks were hot and heavy on the "We have too may running backs" kick. How is that working out for us?
Yeah, I like how LSU does it a lot better.
Anyone who knows anything about the situation knows Alec Morris was an afterthought who has only stuck around because of his loyalty to the team and the likelihood he'd never start at the FBS level. He wasn't a mistake so much as Alabama needed at least one QB in the class and he was willing. He's been a good contributor and teammate, but if you think he's a viable option at QB you're mistaken. But, I seem to recall you being a heavy Sims basher (if my memory is correct), so may be you just had unrealistic expectations when it came to Morris or you just have trouble evaluating the situation.
Running back position is a different story. If you read my posts I never said anything about a magic # of QBs. The issue isn't the # of QBs it's the process of evaluation and development IMO. I never said that Bama is terrible at evaluating and developing QBs but I think the process could be improved. If there was confidence in the QB evaluation and development process I don't think it would be necessary to reach out to Everett Golson, Braxton Miller, Jacob Park, Jake Coker, Luke Del Rio, etc.
That's fine, but it's a negative opinion. "The issue isn't the # of QBs it's the process of evaluation and development IMO. I never said that Bama is terrible at evaluating and developing QBs but I think the process could be improved." Haha, um, OK. The only time in the last 7 years that we were not in the hunt for the MNC was 2010 with McElroy, and that team vastly underachieved. I grade the QBs by wins. Who's had the best luck churning out winning QBs recently, consisitently, outside of Bama? Ohio State? Who else? Now, I said consistently.
But only Mccarron was recruited as a true qb under saban. And with the exception of Sims, all the others were game managers who lived off a great defense and a dominant running game. I think that is more or less the point when people say we dont recruit and devlop qbs.
Saying a process can't be improved because we have been in the national title hunt just about every year is irrational logic. It's akin to saying a successful business should stop innovating..
Maybe, but here is the definition of develop:
Much worse was said about Sims........
True, whoever said that should be flogged. Whoever said that...
Umm, you said that. Your response to my assertion that the QB evaluation and development process could be improved was verbatim, " Haha, um, OK. The only time in the last 7 years that we were not in the hunt for the MNC was 2010 with McElroy, and that team vastly underachieved." So do you want your flogging now or later?
Haha, yes, but how is that saying that we can't improve the process? I'm simply saying that the process that we've had over the years...hasn't been that bad. And it's been pretty dang thorough.Thought it was plain. Guess not.Umm, you said that. Your response to my assertion that the QB evaluation and development process could be improved was verbatim, " Haha, um, OK. The only time in the last 7 years that we were not in the hunt for the MNC was 2010 with McElroy, and that team vastly underachieved." So do you want your flogging now or later?
If you don't think that our process of evaluation, recruitment and development of QBs can be improved then we just disagree on that..
I guess an underlying issue is that all the past QB success that we've had has been enabled by a strong running game and a very good defense. But, today's game is vastly different from that in 2009 when GMcElory led us to an undefeated SECCG and NC. We can't just have a QB sit back there and manage the game and rely on the defense anymore. We need a QB who can make plays and take over the game and win. IMO, you get a QB like that by having a very proficient system of talent evaluation and development. I'm not saying that GMcElroy was a bad QB by any means but I just think it will be tougher for us to win with a QB like that with how the game is played by the current rules. So, yes, CNS has done a fabulous job of winnings games and championships since he has been at the Capstone. However, that formula for success is going to have to be tweaked and I think it starts with how we evaluate and develop the most important position on the field, the QB..
Hey, I'm in agreement. And I think Cornwell and Barnett (and they were hoping Bateman) are steps in that direction, of having playmakers for QBs. We'll get there. I don think they are trying to evolve with the game. I really do. The defense is going through the same gyrations right now, to keep up with defending the fast pace. Saban is having to evolve, like all great coaches do when times change.
This is a good discussion and you made several good points. However, I would be more apt to compare our QB evaluation and development with other top programs across the country rather than the entire SEC because there are only a few teams in the SEC that are on par with Alabama in talent. So if you compare our QB talent evaluation and development to that of other top programs such as Oregon, Ohio St, Baylor, TCU, FSU, etc, I would think that we have some room to improve..OK, one more, and I'm done.
Considering the SEC is the strongest conference from top to bottom, let's compare our QB development situation with our colleagues:
West:
Auburn - Actually not too shabby. Some of their folks think Jeremy Johnson may be turn out to be better than Marshall. We shall see.
Mississippi State - Ask them next year, when they're scrambling for a replacement for Prescott.
Ole Miss - They're hoping like heck that hired gun Chad Kelly works out. What's that tell ya?
LSU - A mess. They're hoping that Brandon Harris grows up in a hurry. They recently brought in a Purdue transfer LOL.
Texas A&M - A WIP. They miss them some Johnny Football.
Arkansas - They have a QB? Oh, he's the guy that hands off. My how things have turned since Mallett graduated.
East:
Missouri - Maty Mauk is the best they got. Let that sink in.
Georgia - They're so excited about Ramsey and Bauta, that they brought in the guy that lost the job at UVA (Lambert).
Tennessee - They're so good at evaluating, that Worley had to get hurt for world-beater Dobbs to see the field last year. This should get better though.
South Carolina - I'm embarrassed for Spurrier at this point. He's had a walk-on for the 3rd or 4th guy for the last several year. Yes, Spurrier.
Kentucky - Meh. One of their better QBs transferred out. We shall see, as Stoops' regime is a WIP.
Vandy - An absolute mess, tranwreck, dumpster fire of a QB situation.
Did I miss anyone?
