Cecil the lion

dvldog · Jul 30, 2015

Bamaro said:
There is not enough time (or interest) to get upset about human murders, that are way too common. Just in Baltimore alone, 42 were murdered in each of the last two months. Murderers usually dont brag about it, pose smiling with their dead victims, or mount the victims severed heads on their wall either.

Well, not counting ISIS and those "people" who steal and kill all those little girls.

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OreBama · Jul 30, 2015

crimsonaudio said:
Palmer certainly appears to be a dirtbag, but Matt Walsh gets it right here, imo: http://www.theblaze.com/contributio...er-to-care-about-dead-lions-than-dead-people/

I can't like this comment enough.

GreatDanish · Jul 30, 2015

Bamaro said:
There is not enough time (or interest) to get upset about human murders, that are way too common. Just in Baltimore alone, 42 were murdered in each of the last two months. Murderers usually dont brag about it, pose smiling with their dead victims, or mount the victims severed heads on their wall either.

This is unbelievably sad. "People in my hometown are getting shot and killed so much, I just can't worry about them. But if anybody shoots a lion in Zimbabwe, doggoneit, I'm going to terrorize the hunter's place of business (or fill-in-the-blank with the responses to the kill). I simply don't have ten seconds to retweet and type a reaction like I did for Cecil and his killer."

I wish people as a whole would focus much more of their efforts on people and things within their sphere of influence. Not solely. But, when most of the USA is more worried about poaching in Zimbabwe than they are about innocent murders, fatherless/parentless children, and sex slavery going on literally a few miles from home, then maybe that's a reason we have more innocent murders, fatherless/parentless children, and sex slavery going on than we should.

This is just a point of contention for me because I spend a good part of my life - both my career and my free time - investing in children and homeless people around here and it makes me irate to see how callous people are toward them and how much compassion people have toward stuff like this. It's not wrong at all to be upset by this story. I just hate the deafening silence about stuff going on in our own communities in light of the fact that this lion and loser who shot him is the biggest news story of the week.

I'm out of this thread.

Bazza · Jul 30, 2015

GreatDanish said:
This is unbelievably sad. "People in my hometown are getting shot and killed so much, I just can't worry about them. But if anybody shoots a lion in Zimbabwe, doggoneit, I'm going to terrorize the hunter's place of business (or fill-in-the-blank with the responses to the kill). I simply don't have ten seconds to retweet and type a reaction like I did for Cecil and his killer."

I wish people as a whole would focus much more of their efforts on people and things within their sphere of influence. Not solely. But, when most of the USA is more worried about poaching in Zimbabwe than they are about innocent murders, fatherless/parentless children, and sex slavery going on literally a few miles from home, then maybe that's a reason we have more innocent murders, fatherless/parentless children, and sex slavery going on than we should.

This is just a point of contention for me because I spend a good part of my life - both my career and my free time - investing in children and homeless people around here and it makes me irate to see how callous people are toward them and how much compassion people have toward stuff like this. It's not wrong at all to be upset by this story. I just hate the deafening silence about stuff going on in our own communities in light of the fact that this lion and loser who shot him is the biggest news story of the week.

I'm out of this thread.

Hey Great Danish.....just a thought.

The above bolded part is what I was referring to earlier when I suggested starting a thread about whatever atrocity upsets you at the moment.

In no way was I critiquing the Cecil thread or anyone's posts.....meandering is not only perfectly fine but makes for an interesting discussion.

So......if you have your own "Cecil" story but this time it's about (a) human being(s)......by all means start a thread and let everyone have an opportunity to express their outrage equally.

But don't expect the media to do the same - they're in it for the $$$$$.

GreatDanish · Jul 30, 2015

Bazza- I don't start threads on either one. I rarely start threads at all. I would rather focus on preventing them from occurring in the first place but I do try to be aware of them. My problem is for those that retweet and blog and express grave concern about this and are apathetic toward injustices in their own communities.
But I'm not starting threads on either one.

Now I am done.

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cbi1972 · Jul 30, 2015

crimsonaudio · Jul 30, 2015

:biggrin:

OreBama · Jul 31, 2015

For me, it's sad this lion had to go out like this, but there are worst things that happen every day to people. Heck, even the elephant story posted in this thread was sadder to me.

I generally don't feel that bad for carnivores. They're killers, right? To be clear, I don't hate them, but I can't feel too sorry for them.

81usaf92 · Jul 31, 2015

Bamaro said:
Actually, I was talking about his dental practice, but yeah, the practice of shooting defenseless animals for sport too.

Lions are defenseless???? You do realize a Lion can kill you rather easily. I think this guy is an idiot but he was risking more than his freedom by hunting a lion.

Bamaro · Jul 31, 2015

81usaf92 said:
Lions are defenseless???? You do realize a Lion can kill you rather easily. I think this guy is an idiot but he was risking more than his freedom by hunting a lion.

He was risking next to nothing in this case.

Bazza · Jul 31, 2015

81usaf92 said:
Lions are defenseless???? You do realize a Lion can kill you rather easily. I think this guy is an idiot but he was risking more than his freedom by hunting a lion.

No.

He was NOT hunting.

He "baited" the lion.

And used a spotlight on him.

Nothing sporting about that. Real hunters would spit on this turkey.

This dentist is not a man. He's a slug. Evident even today as he cowers in the shadows afraid to own up in public to what he did.

chanson78 · Jul 31, 2015

Bazza said:
And used a spotlight on him.

But what if the light had fallen on him? He probably would have gotten a slight burn. Those really hurt. So in that way, he was in danger. By killing the lion, he and the poachers could turn the light off sooner. This man is a hero.

92tide · Jul 31, 2015

Bazza said:
No.

He was NOT hunting.

He "baited" the lion.

And used a spotlight on him.

Nothing sporting about that. Real hunters would spit on this turkey.

This dentist is not a man. He's a slug. Evident even today as he cowers in the shadows afraid to own up in public to what he did.

but remember, in the zero sum world of the internet, if you care at all about this, you cannot possibly care about any of the real problems going on in the world.

dvldog · Jul 31, 2015

Real hunters would spit on this turkey.

Not condoning this guy by any means but "baiting" is used in all types of hunting by "real hunters" and has been from the start. Calling is a type of baiting; using scent attractants, etc. all "bait" the game to come in for the kill. Baiting is often used in fishing also.

Bazza · Jul 31, 2015

dvldog said:
Not condoning this guy by any means but "baiting" is used in all types of hunting by "real hunters" and has been from the start. Calling is a type of baiting; using scent attractants, etc. all "bait" the game to come in for the kill. Baiting is often used in fishing also.

The term "real hunting" means different things to different people. I don't see anything sporting about "baiting" myself.

Timberline Tide · Jul 31, 2015

dvldog said:
Not condoning this guy by any means but "baiting" is used in all types of hunting by "real hunters" and has been from the start. Calling is a type of baiting; using scent attractants, etc. all "bait" the game to come in for the kill. Baiting is often used in fishing also.

...and internet trolling

dvldog · Jul 31, 2015

Bazza said:
The term "real hunting" means different things to different people. I don't see anything sporting about "baiting" myself.

Me neither. But a lot of people would disagree with us. Guess its more about the context.

Bamaro · Jul 31, 2015

dvldog said:
Not condoning this guy by any means but "baiting" is used in all types of hunting by "real hunters" and has been from the start. Calling is a type of baiting; using scent attractants, etc. all "bait" the game to come in for the kill. Baiting is often used in fishing also.

In this case it looks like the bait was used to lure Cecil off the reserve so he could be killed.

RedStar · Jul 31, 2015

92tide said:
but remember, in the zero sum world of the internet, if you care at all about this, you cannot possibly care about any of the real problems going on in the world.

You can care about both, I just don't see anyone outraged about Cecil doing that.

RedStar · Jul 31, 2015

Bazza said:
There is no such thing as putting all humans in the same category value-wise.

Certain humans are despicable. Such as this one.....

Man forced teen to have sex with him, deputies say

I just pulled this one up a few minutes ago but you can find similar stories every day about humans that are predators on children - that doesn't sit very well with me. And this child had diminished capacity so you know the kind of creep you are dealing with here.

I would say in general that as adults we have the responsibility to look out for the innocents. The young.....and the pure of heart.

You answered a question I didn't ask. It was a nice attempt at deflecting, but you'll have to do better. So I'll ask again:

Generally speaking (I'm not talking about extremes) do you think that the life of an animal is equal to, less than, or greater than that of a human?

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