FFRF officially asks Auburn to can Pastor Chette

cbi1972 · Aug 24, 2015

Satanic Temple to join Hindus asking to put up statue next to Ark. State Capitol Ten Commandments display

The Hindu society may soon be joined by the Satanic Temple which is preparing to apply for a spot in Arkansas on which to erect an 8½-foot-tall bronze statue of Baphomet — a goat-headed figure with horns and wings — which had previously been planned for state grounds in Oklahoma.

Tide1986 · Aug 24, 2015

Jon said:
with equal access you end up with things like this being handed out to elementary school kids

best thing is to eliminate all access. Which is what Orange County Schools in FL did after the Satantists demanded equal access

Eliminating all access would eliminate all student groups, not just religious ones. I assume that was your intent.

Tide1986 · Aug 24, 2015

cbi1972 said:
The relationship between the Auburn football team and the team chaplain goes far beyond mere "recognition"

Actually granting equal access was the idea behind my first reaction

I'm pretty sure multiple religions and anti-religions have access to the Auburn student body already.

cbi1972 · Aug 24, 2015

Tide1986 said:
Eliminating all access would eliminate all student groups, not just religious ones. I assume that was your intent.

How do you figure that? The establishment clause refers to government endorsements of religion.

Tide1986 said:
I'm pretty sure multiple religions and anti-religions have access to the Auburn student body already.

Not to the degree Chette has to the football team.

Jon · Aug 24, 2015

Tide1986 said:
Eliminating all access would eliminate all student groups, not just religious ones. I assume that was your intent.

not my intent, I had nothing to do with this one other than as an FFRF supporter

groups are fine, even religious ones as long as everyone can have one. (ie if a christian group can form so can a satanist one)

but this case wasn't about that. The school was allowing a christian group to hand out bibles and christian kids activity books. The FFRF asked the school to stop and the school tried to outsmart the FFRF saying, "we allow equal access to all religions" so the Satanic Temple took them up on their offer. Of course the school then shut down allowing any religious materials to be handed out in school, which was both the right decision and exactly what the Satanic Temple wanted.

Tide1986 · Aug 24, 2015

cbi1972 said:
How do you figure that? The establishment clause refers to government endorsements of religion.

Based on the link I provided about equal access. Any access essentially means all access regardless of religiosity. If you allow a College Democrats or College Republicans student group, you have to allow religious groups access too (and vice versa).

cbi1972 · Aug 24, 2015

Tide1986 said:
Based on the link I provided about equal access. Any access essentially means all access regardless of religiosity. If you allow a College Democrats or College Republicans student group, you have to allow religious groups access too (and vice versa).

Not really relevant, because we're not talking about access in general, but exclusive access of the sort that Chette's brand of religion enjoys. I thought that was already clear?

Jon · Aug 24, 2015

cbi1972 said:
Not really relevant, because we're not talking about access in general, but exclusive access of the sort that Chette's brand of religion enjoys. I thought that was already clear?

it was very clear, he's just doing his thing

seebell · Aug 24, 2015

Yeah 1986, you obstreperous oenophile. :wink: I was just about to send you a bottle of MD 20-20. But when you became so argumentative I drank it myself!:eek2:

Tide1986 · Aug 24, 2015

Jon said:
it was very clear, he's just doing his thing

Maybe so. Nevertheless, I believe that there are facts we don't have and that the situation is not as simplistic as we might otherwise wish it to be.

KentuckianaBFan · Aug 24, 2015

Tide1986 said:
Maybe so. Nevertheless, I believe that there are facts we don't have and that the situation is not as simplistic as we might otherwise wish it to be.

You can't bring facts in here, this is an internet forum...

TIDE-HSV · Aug 24, 2015

I believe they probably have standing and Rev. Chette is deep into "state action." We'll just have to see how it plays out...

Aledinho · Aug 24, 2015

Jon said:
with equal access you end up with things like this being handed out to elementary school kids

best thing is to eliminate all access. Which is what Orange County Schools in FL did after the Satantists demanded equal access

Other than being a little too cis-normative and possibly endorsing body image discrimination by putting the big kid in the back ground and where are the latinas and Africans in the picture; I say go for it. Either they have something to say, or they are doing this to be petty in which case they will forget about it in a few days like the Klan's Adopt-a-Highway program.

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