Link: Trump, love him or hate him, he draws a crowd...

92tide · Aug 24, 2015

selmaborntidefan said:
ABSOLUTE HOGWASH!!!

I get sick and tired of this every single election - angry white men. Oh please. This is the same mentality that blamed the Benghazi attack on a You Tube video.

you seem very angry

81usaf92 · Aug 24, 2015

tidegrandpa said:
So was Roosevelt and Reagan, he's a communicator minimum.

Both Roosevelts and the old man came in office at times of extreme dispair.... Hmmm

selmaborntidefan · Aug 24, 2015

92tide said:
you seem very angry

I see Mr Trump has hacked 92tide's account

92tide · Aug 25, 2015

selmaborntidefan said:
I see Mr Trump has hacked 92tide's account

you're fired

jthomas666 · Aug 25, 2015

92tide said:
you're fired

Well played, sir!

TIDE-HSV · Aug 25, 2015

selmaborntidefan said:
Honest to God, I don't know what they "were." I do recall Trump toying with running, raising the birth certificate issue, and overnight evolving into a pro-lifer. But Romney wasn't my guy, and I honestly don't know what Trump's (alleged) views were then. I know that now he's talking about building a wall and having Mexico pay for it.

I won't sit here and deny Trump is a demagogue, and he isn't my guy. I do find some of it funny, though. As far as flip-flopping (assuming this is what Trump did with the 180), I'm honestly trying to recall the last time any election "really" turned on a successful campaign that the other guy was a flip-flopper. My goodness, Bill Clinton was a flip-flopper extraordinaire and won relatively easily twice. I do recall Dukakis burying Gephardt as one in the 1988 primaries, but that was a primary, not a general election.

I think the truth is that: a) every single politician out there has changed his mind on something (if he hasn't, he hasn't really grown since we all "evolve" on some positions as we age); b) 99.9% of the voters don't believe everything a politician says anyway; c) Presidential politics in the TV age is the old high school popularity contest where the 'better looking' candidate wins. I'm not saying issues are not important, but I am saying that issues RARELY settle the whole thing, it's a personality contest.

For those who would argue, I simply give you this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skw-0jv9kts

"I don't like Romney because of position X, which is actually Obama's position, who I'm voting for."

Btw - I'm sure the same thing can be said about just as many Romney voters.

Then he certainly has "grown" in just two years. Here's one sample. There are many, many others. As far as "flip-flopping, remember he claims to be a non-politician who always tells the plain truth:

“He had a crazy policy of self deportation which was maniacal,” Trump says. “It sounded as bad as it was, and he lost all of the Latino vote,” Trump notes. “He lost the Asian vote. He lost everybody who is inspired to come into this country.”

The GOP has to develop a comprehensive policy “to take care of this incredible problem that we have with respect to immigration, with respect to people wanting to be wonderful productive citizens of this country,” Trump says.

seebell · Aug 25, 2015

92tide said:
you seem very angry

:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

cbi1972 · Aug 25, 2015

92tide said:
you seem very angry

Tide1986 · Aug 27, 2015

Interesting perspective on Jorge Ramos:

http://spectator.org/articles/63899/jorge-ramos-gets-trumped

The incident was perfect metaphor for the illegal immigration issue. Ramos jumped the press conference rules and was sent back — only welcomed back inside when he agreed to live by the same rules as the rest of the press corps in the room.

selmaborntidefan · Aug 28, 2015

The other perspective is that utter absurdity that by dissing Ramos, you "dissed all Hispanics."

What a pile of crap. I seem to recall the media as a whole framing a false narrative against Hispanic George Zimmerman, but that didn't make the media "racist" or "dissing all Hispanics."

SavannahDare · Aug 28, 2015

What so many of the Hispanics and Latinos who are up in arms over Trump's treatment of Ramos and statements about immigration seem to not grasp is that this is not a matter of race or cultural background, it's a matter of what is LEGAL. What are the RULES/LAWS? Why are we not enforcing the RULES/LAWS?

Let's start there instead of getting all bent out of shape over the color of someone's skin or where their mama and daddy are from.

ValuJet · Aug 28, 2015

SavannahDare said:
What so many of the Hispanics and Latinos who are up in arms over Trump's treatment of Ramos and statements about immigration seem to not grasp is that this is not a matter of race or cultural background, it's a matter of what is LEGAL. What are the RULES/LAWS? Why are we not enforcing the RULES/LAWS?

Let's start there instead of getting all bent out of shape over the color of someone's skin or where their mama and daddy are from.

S.O.P. is to reply with "You're new here, aren't you?"

SavannahDare · Aug 28, 2015

I miss those "like" and "dislike" buttons.

cbi1972 · Aug 28, 2015

SavannahDare said:
I miss those "like" and "dislike" buttons.

The full Banjeaux is on hiatus

jthomas666 · Aug 28, 2015

selmaborntidefan said:
The other perspective is that utter absurdity that by dissing Ramos, you "dissed all Hispanics."

What a pile of crap. I seem to recall the media as a whole framing a false narrative against Hispanic George Zimmerman, but that didn't make the media "racist" or "dissing all Hispanics."

Yes, those two things are exactly alike.

Bazza · Aug 28, 2015

Regarding the press conference exchange between Trump and Ramos.....99% of the media are NOT accurately portraying what actually took place.

However.....Bill O'Reilly, in his 'Talking Points' segment on "The O'Reilly Factor" night before last, IMHO laid everything out very clearly.

OreBama · Aug 28, 2015

O'Reilly nailed it.

TIDE-HSV · Aug 28, 2015

cbi1972 said:
The full Banjeaux is on hiatus

Yes, unfortunately permanently...

TIDE-HSV · Aug 28, 2015

The whole problem is the ham-handed way in which he handled the whole exchange. People need to remember that Wallace also drew monster crowds - outside the South, and for many of the same reasons...

92tide · Aug 28, 2015

TIDE-HSV said:
The whole problem is the ham-handed way in which he handled the whole exchange. People need to remember that Wallace also drew monster crowds - outside the South, and for many of the same reasons...

i think his ham-handed ways are what is behind a lot of his popularity.

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