the QB can have one toe not past the line of scrimmage and it is considered a legal pass. Ridiculous. It is a play used almost exclusively by the likes of Malzahn and Freeze to gain an illegal advantage. And they never get called for it. Freeze knew the game had completely turn in Bama's favor- no coincidence when it was called- biggest play of the game.
So, linemen downfield... something has to change!
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Look, I don't know if Alabama wins the game if that is called correctly. I do know that Ole Miss doesn't score a touchdown on that play. The problem, and I said this before the game, is you can't really do anything about it. It's a run play, it is a legal run play, that turns into an illegal pass and I don't know how to teach a defense to defend that. It's breaking the rules plain and simple and the HUNH does it routinely without getting called. That's not ok.
there will be no changes to this rule, complaining about it is pointless. the powers that be clearly do not care. and it is not like they will retroactively reverse the call now. complaining and getting mad about it will only raise your bp.
I don't know about that. It was close to being changed this past spring. We had it missed at least twice in separate games by two different SEC crews. I can see it changed to the NFL standard maybe as early as next year.
The only way to stop it for the rest of this year is to send a mandate to officials that "Even if it is remotely close, flag it." Of course, I thought that was kind of the situation with it being a "point of emphasis" this year. I guess not.
Unfortunately as you stated, it does us no good at this point. As Krazy said, it is a legal run play that turns into an illegal pass play. All good defenses react to keys or tells by the offense. If they read a lineman releasing, the natural instinct for a DB is to support the run.
Even Danielson said yesterday in the LSU-AU game that "this has to be cleaned up. Your clearly putting the defense at a huge disadvantage". It was pointed out in our game (somewhat belatedly) as well by Fowler and Herbie. The head of SEC officiating should be completely and utterly embarrassed by the failure of his crews yesterday.
Maybe this will be the catalyst to change it next year. I hope so.
For people that couldn't spend the day watching football, they might not have realized what happened though.
To recap, in the Auburn game, Auburn scored a touchdown with lineman downfield and apparently the only reason the play was even reviewed was to see if the quarterback went over the line of scrimmage. Then, in the Alabama game the exact same thing happened. This is nothing new, but yes, we're talking about an alleged point of emphasis, that involved blown calls on two touchdown plays (in the Auburn game I believe they made the correct call that the QB was past the line).
It's just... how many touchdowns do we have to see on illegal plays before it's addressed? It is changing the outcome of games, and it's an easy enough call to make. In the Auburn play, there was a ref a couple of yards away from the lineman, that was such an easy flag to throw. Not like you're gonna miss a 300 pound guy standing next to you.
Tell the refs to throw the flag when in doubt and let the booth review it.
Just out of curiosity, which game had the 8th ref this week?
Just out of curiosity, which game had the 8th ref this week?
In our game an official is a yard away staring at him. If your not gonna call it, throw out the rule and allow lineman downfield. At least then Saban/Kirby can scheme for it.
They reviewed it and ruled that Johnson of Auburn was behind the LOS and let it stand, just like our game last night. So touchdowns scored in two separate conference games that essentially illegal. At least you can say in the LSU-Auburn it probably didn't impact the outcome. Ours...not so much.
Exactly. Have you ever had a rule at work or school that was on the books but was never enforced? Did you ever push the envelope to break the rule even more just because you could get away with it and it would make life easier and you benefited from it?
I think the issue is you said we should blow up his phone. That's not cool
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OK it's illegal for OL to be downfield / QB to be over the line. But Ref's all over are not calling it. So coach adjust for it. Cover the wide open WR or we will continue to see this Mickey Mouse crap over and over. It is like charging in BB. If refs not calling it adjust to the refs.
Take away Three Stooges, illegal pass downfield, and turnovers Bama would have romped over OM and these discussions would not be here.
Take away Three Stooges, illegal pass downfield, and turnovers Bama would have romped over OM and these discussions would not be here.
It's pretty ridiculous when you really look at it. Should be an obvious call if the referees are taught to look for it.
I knew about this rule in 3rd grade. Ref's have to be taught ?It's pretty ridiculous when you really look at it. Should be an obvious call if the referees are taught to look for it.
I believe it was Mark Curls' crew that got suspended for screwing up a play in a UGA game several years ago...They seemed to get better after that. Maybe Steve Shaw will start suspending crews. It isn't fair to any team. I don't want BAMA to install that bush league play. I just want the dang rules enforced and if Ritter can't control his crew, Shaw can...It's pretty ridiculous when you really look at it. Should be an obvious call if the referees are taught to look for it.
I'm a little disappointed Saban didn't mention the play last night and defend his players a little. Maybe, yes we miscommunicated but, we really don't have a play for for an illegal linemen 6 yards downfield. In fairness maybe he had not seen the play yet. Does the SEC have a process where they submit plays for review? Does the league clarify whether or not coach is correct?
Your angles are off so you are adding 1 yard to the position of the players, but the point is still valid.It's pretty ridiculous when you really look at it. Should be an obvious call if the referees are taught to look for it.
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