How quickly the Media changes their mind.

theBIGyowski

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What got me was all the talk of "if Alabama loses to Georgia their dynasty is over." In reality our dynasty ended in Auburn the last weekend of November 2013 and there has been no dynasty since. At least by any reasonable definition.

We're still "Alabama" though and will always have to be reckoned with and perhaps could start a new dynasty this year.
Didn't we win the SEC Championship Game last year? We even made it to the playoffs. If we're going to say that the "Dynasty" started in 2008 (almost everyone does) then you can't say it ended in 2013 on a freak play in Jordan-Hare. IMO, a "Dynasty" doesn't mean you win the national championship every single year. Just go look at the Bama teams in the 70s. We didn't win national championships every year, but you'd struggle to find anyone say that wasn't a 9-10 year "Dynasty" that Coach Bryant led.

We're just fine and we continue to be the gold standard in college football. Every year since 2006, we were either in the championship game or had to be beaten by a team that was in the championship game. To have a shot at being a champion, you have to first beat Alabama. No one else can say that.

2006: Florida
2007: LSU
2008: Florida
2009: Alabama
2010: Auburn
2011: Alabama/LSU
2012: Alabama
2013: Auburn
2014: Ohio State
 

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Imo it had nothing to do with who was the better team, as that is rarely determined until the end of the game. It's all in which team shows up and shows more hunger for the win. When Ole Miss came to BDS, they were more hungry and enthused than the Tide. When they went to the Swamp, well, not so much.
according to saban, we were too enthused in the ole miss game and couldn't contain it
 

TideEngineer08

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Didn't we win the SEC Championship Game last year? We even made it to the playoffs. If we're going to say that the "Dynasty" started in 2008 (almost everyone does) then you can't say it ended in 2013 on a freak play in Jordan-Hare. IMO, a "Dynasty" doesn't mean you win the national championship every single year. Just go look at the Bama teams in the 70s. We didn't win national championships every year, but you'd struggle to find anyone say that wasn't a 9-10 year "Dynasty" that Coach Bryant led.

We're just fine and we continue to be the gold standard in college football. Every year since 2006, we were either in the championship game or had to be beaten by a team that was in the championship game. To have a shot at being a champion, you have to first beat Alabama. No one else can say that.

2006: Florida
2007: LSU
2008: Florida
2009: Alabama
2010: Auburn
2011: Alabama/LSU
2012: Alabama
2013: Auburn
2014: Ohio State
I'm sorry, I just don't see it that way. Our "dynasty" run was from 2009 until 2012. I'll go this far: you could say our dynasty is on hold for the moment.

I'm not saying we're not the gold standard or that we're not "fine". We are. I'm just saying there is no dynasty in college football at the moment. What if we go 13-1 but lose in the playoffs to Ohio State again who wins the national title? Who has a dynasty at that point? What if it's Florida State that wins it all this year?

I don't think our run is over by any stretch. I just think they dynasty is for the moment. And the whole point of me bringing it up in this thread is just how the media was going on and on about it all.
 

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I see your point, but I think that saying you can only have a dynasty if you win the championship in consecutive years means that you cannot include 2010 as we had 3 losses that year. So by your measuring stick, we've really only had a dynasty from January 9, 2012 when we beat LSU in the Superdome until we lost to Auburn on November 30, 2013 in Jordan-Hare.

It's all semantics really, I just believe that we have been one of the best of not the best team in America since the beginning of the 2008 season. And in my opinion if we are talking about "dynasties", we've been in one since then. Not here to argue though...I'm just enjoying the success we're having right now because I was a student at UA from 2000-2004 and after going through that I can't help but be thrilled with our teams we've had since CNS took the throne.
 

TideEngineer08

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I see your point, but I think that saying you can only have a dynasty if you win the championship in consecutive years means that you cannot include 2010 as we had 3 losses that year. So by your measuring stick, we've really only had a dynasty from January 9, 2012 when we beat LSU in the Superdome until we lost to Auburn on November 30, 2013 in Jordan-Hare.

It's all semantics really, I just believe that we have been one of the best of not the best team in America since the beginning of the 2008 season. And in my opinion if we are talking about "dynasties", we've been in one since then. Not here to argue though...I'm just enjoying the success we're having right now because I was a student at UA from 2000-2004 and after going through that I can't help but be thrilled with our teams we've had since CNS took the throne.
It really is semantics. And no one else is close to what Alabama has done from 2008 until now no matter how we define it.
 

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Here's the story of both games:



Date9/19/20159/19/201510/3/201510/3/2015
TeamOle MissAlabamaOle MissFlorida
Avg. Starting Position of OffenseOwn 39Own 28Own 20Own 45
Turnovers1
(onside kick)
5
(2 FUM, 3 INT)
4
(3 FUM, 1 INT)
0
Points off Turnovers247019
Points Scored43371038
Points Scored not off turnovers19301019
Avg. Scoring Drive (Plays)4.81112.55.4
Avg. Scoring Drive (Yards)41.560.772.542.1
Avg. Scoring Drive off Turnover (Plays)3.87N/A3.8
Avg. Scoring Drive off Turnover (Yards)15.830N/A15.5






















Alabama gave Ole Miss the ball at our 17, our 26, our 18, and our 31 yard lines and they put up 24 points on those possessions. On their other 11 possessions, they scored 19 points and that includes a once-in-a-lifetime lucky bounced pass into the arms of a receiver and a TD that should have been called back for ineligible receiver downfield. So when you factor the points we handed to Ole Miss on turnovers, the "Doink in Bryant-Denny" pass play, and the long pass play on which officials were unable to see 300-lb linemen 5 yards beyond the neutral zone, Ole Miss should have only put up 2 FG against our defense. Everything that went right for Ole Miss in Bryant-Denny went the other way in the Swamp and they weren't able to deal with it as well as our guys. If the referees would have just correctly called the ineligible player downfield penalty, we likely would have been tied at the end of regulation and went to OT even with all of the turnovers and I would have liked our chances in OT. We ran well against them and Kelly's passing statistics would be more pedestrian if not for the fluke play and the pass where the offensive lineman was almost as far downfield as the receiver.

Date9/19/20159/19/201510/3/201510/3/2015
TeamOle MissAlabamaOle MissFlorida
First Downs16292318
3rd Down Conv.4-14 (28.5%)11-20 (55.0%)5-14 (35.7%)8-16 (50.0%)
Penalties - Yards8-574-365-306-51
Net Yards421495290345
Total Plays65100 :eek:7363
Yards per Play6.484.953.975.48
Rushing32-92 (2.88 avg)
2 TD 1/1 FMBL/LOST
42-215 (5.12 avg)
2 TD 2/2 FMBL/LOST
33-31 (0.94 avg)
0 TD 4/3 FMBL/LOST
34-74 (2.18 avg)
1 TD 2/0 FMBL/LOST
Passing18-33 (55%)
329 yards 9.97 ypa
3 TD 0 INT
32-58 (55%)
280 yards 4.83 ypa
3 TD 3 INT
26-40 (65%)
259 yards 6.48 ypa
1 TD 1 INT
24-29 (83%)
271 yards 9.34 ypa
4 TD 0 INT
Passing (without
fluke and illegal play)
16-31 (52%)
190 yards 6.13 ypa
1 TD 0 INT
same as aboveN/AN/A
Time of Possession24:3435:2628:1031:50






























Turnovers, especially deep in your own territory, will do you in. The fact that we almost overcame that many turnovers that were so effectively taken advantage of by the Ole Miss offense, as well as an immaculate reception and a 5-yard downfield screen pass that was so conveniently missed by an officiating crew from the organization that emphatically stated that they would put additional effort into detecting such violations. It's funny that the next week, an officiating crew from the same organization (The Steve Shaw Blind-as-a-Bat Eye Foundation) flags Cam Robinson for that violation and he wasn't far enough downfield to have probably been flagged in the NFL. The SEC seems to make plenty of money, so they need to earmark some funding for Lasik for their officials (and maybe a hearing aid for Hubert Owens ;) ).
 

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Tidefans threads often show fans who act the same way.

Let's consider the opposite - Tide fans NOW are saying, "Well Ole Miss wasn't really any good."

So logically we now lost to a team that wasn't any good.........

Ole Miss is a GOOD team - they're not a GREAT team by any stretch but they're a good one.

We have fans who first whine that the Selection Committee is specifically designed to exclude a second SEC team and then that it's not fair a team with a stronger SoS but two losses may not make it and right about that time we think we see the shadow of the Second Gunman on the Grassy Knoll and finally we realize that Elvis works at a KMart in Spartanburg, SC......

And then Auburn pays players and can't win without paying them and then they still can't win and it's all a persecution complex that makes me go "Huh?"
Five turnovers gives the Little Sisters of the Poor a fighting chance. :wink:
 

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Five turnovers gives the Little Sisters of the Poor a fighting chance. :wink:
Damn! I was about to post that word for word. I share a birthday with Frank Deford. A few years back, he posted that Bama hadn't won enough for enough years to be proclaimed a "dynasty." Every year, I've emailed him again, saying "enough yet?". I skipped last year. I hope I can do it again this year...
 

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