Words Cannot Express the Job Coach Mac has done at Florida!

G8RNGA said:

You probably won't like this either! (From ESPN this morning)

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UF's defense is legit but I'm not sold on the offense. I see a very inconsistent QB and your #1 running back (and quite frankly all the UF RBs) is very undersized - 15 carries for 25 yards against LSU. No way UF beats LSU or Bama without some form of a running game. Now if UF gets matched up with Ole Miss in Atlanta I think UF would win that matchup again. That's not a slight to your team at all. UF is a very good, borderline elite team. I just think UF is a few pieces away from winning the SECCG and possibly the CFP..

G8RNGA said:

Unfortunately all those stars next to UGA players don't help them and if I'm not mistaken they had better recruiting classes while Muschamp was at UF.

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Well, you are, heh...
2014 Georgia was #7, Florida was 8 (according to Scout)
2013 Georgia was #12, Florida was 4
2012 Georgia was #12, Florida was 3
2011 Georgia was #5, Florida was 12
2010 Georgia was #12, Florida was 2

It really confuses me that Florida fans don't even know how good their recruiting classes were. As I said, Florida has the talent...

KrAzY3 said:

Well, you are, heh...
2014 Georgia was #7, Florida was 8 (according to Scout)
2013 Georgia was #12, Florida was 4
2012 Georgia was #12, Florida was 3
2011 Georgia was #5, Florida was 12
2010 Georgia was #12, Florida was 2

It really confuses me that Florida fans don't even know how good their recruiting classes were. As I said, Florida has the talent...

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That 2010 class at FL turned out to be pure garbage. Those players undermined everything that had been built at FL (with Meyer's help). The other 4 classes are pretty close to a wash.

Florida might have been winning like Sisters of the Poor for most of Muschamp's tenure but it wasn't for a lack of talent. They're in our range recruiting-wise over the 4-5 year recruiting cycle as Krazy pointed out. You don't have a year 1 turnaround like this off simple coaching improvements, you've gotta have the talent that can do it.

B1GTide said:

That 2010 class at FL turned out to be pure garbage. Those players undermined everything that had been built at FL (with Meyer's help). The other 4 classes are pretty close to a wash.

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Well, I think most of the blame has to be laid at the feet of Muschamp. I think you can write that class off somewhat if you want, but you have to say ok Muschamp, you're recruiting these guys, you're coaching these guys, it's up to you to get results. He didn't, and somewhere in the chaos people seemed to forget just how much talent he had.

I also questioned how effective Muschamp would be at Auburn. It isn't that I think he's a bad defensive coordinator, but at Florida his results were not on par with his talent on defense. I wasn't getting how he was going to take worse talent at Auburn, and an offense that creates a disadvantage for the defense and somehow show much improvement. He hasn't, he's just not that good...

Now, a sudden turn around and it's just an amazing coach? No, it's a good, perhaps great coach who just used the abundant talent appropriately. You can't win with no talent in the SEC, it is not coincidence that the top 3 SEC teams right now also happen to have had the best recruiting classes over the past few years.

Florida (and the rest of the conference for that matter) has enough talent to win every season - the difference is always the coaching.

Anyone who doesn't realize this by now just isn't paying attention.

Sure.......in any given season there are plenty of play makers who emerge from the field and shine.....but that doesn't happen without the right coaching.

One of the problems I saw with CWM during his time at Florida was not using the talent to it's full potential. Just on that basis alone we have leaped exponentially with CJM and staff.

And don't forget CJM brought in a whole new staff only retaining our old OL coach. That includes Coach Nuss, Coach Collins & Coach Randy Shannon on the defensive side.

Coaching is just about EVERYTHING.

The rest of this season and those following will be very exciting for both Alabama and Florida providing they can retain their coaching staffs.

Well, maybe not the ENTIRE conference. Vandy got shut out by Houston yesterday.

KrAzY3 said:

Well, you are, heh...
2014 Georgia was #7, Florida was 8 (according to Scout)
2013 Georgia was #12, Florida was 4
2012 Georgia was #12, Florida was 3
2011 Georgia was #5, Florida was 12
2010 Georgia was #12, Florida was 2

It really confuses me that Florida fans don't even know how good their recruiting classes were. As I said, Florida has the talent...

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Probably because we don't care about the stars - speaking for myself. What did folks do prior to the star ratings? Trust the coaching staff. I still do the same and CWM may have brought in people with stars but they underachieved and were poorly coached. Bazza said it best.

Vandy exists so the rest of the nation can say "dey spose to be SEC"

B1GTide said:

Well, maybe not the ENTIRE conference. Vandy got shut out by Houston yesterday.

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Don't forget that James Franklin took Vandy to 3 straight bowls, and won 2. Even Vandy has the talent to win 6 every year. As it has been said, coaching is the difference, and Mason may have them back to bowl eligibility soon.

B1GTide said:

Well, maybe not the ENTIRE conference. Vandy got shut out by Houston yesterday.

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But look what happened when Coach Franklin was there.....and what happened when he left.

I was trying to be polite.

But your point is well taken, B1G.

I never had any doubt Coach Mac would be successful at Florida but it looks like I may have been too right!

G8RNGA said:

Probably because we don't care about the stars - speaking for myself. What did folks do prior to the star ratings? Trust the coaching staff. I still do the same and CWM may have brought in people with stars but they underachieved and were poorly coached. Bazza said it best.

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The point is the players were not the problem... the coach was. That's why a new coach is winning with those same exact players.

rgw said:

Vandy exists so the rest of the nation can say "dey spose to be SEC"

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That is alright Vandy represents the sec well in other sports and certainly helps our overall academic standings as a conference. To the point of the thread though Mac is doing a great job for the Gators and will continue to do so in my opinion. I for one think when Saban does retire in a few years we should definitely see about his interest at Bama. Yes I know Kirby may be in play there but I would argue as of today Kirby is 0-0 as a head coach and I am not knocking that but do we really want to go down the unproven coach route again...............

Personally, I wouldn't have a problem hiring an unproven head coach, if it was Kirby Smart. I think he has been around one of the best head coaches long enough to know how to run a successful program.

That being said, I wouldn't be upset if McElwain was the eventual replacement for Coach Saban, provided he continues to win like he has at CSU and UF this year.

Gotta wonder if this thread title is over the top. Mc has done things worthy of coach-of-the-year honors, better than any but the most wild optimist could have predicted, but it isn't as though there were not talented players at Florida.

He is also setting himself for great recruiting and long term because of his success and the appearance that the players look like they are enjoying the experience.

"Words cannot express . . "? Not really.

I also wonder if he hasn't set himself up for some unreasonable expectations in the future. As in "You won 11 games with Muschamp's players, how can you only win X games with yours?"

Not that SEC fans, alumni, and ADs are ever unreasonable . . .

secund2nun said:

The talent was definitely weak... Just 6 scholarship offensive linemen in spring with almost no starts, poor wrs aside from drob (the best wr is a true freshmen) and no experienced 2nd year qbs.

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You're mistaking depth for talent on the O-line. Two completely different things.

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snake plissken said:

Nit Pick much?

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Nope, but I have a good friend who is a former D-1 HC and he always said winning a lot early on can be as damaging as losing, in the long run.

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