Russian plane downed in the Sinai.
- Thread starter Tidewater
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I lived in Turkey and the middle east for nearly 3 years. Even the non-radical members of the population there consider actions and symbolism as being the "real truth." In other words, if you're not strong you are weak, there is no middle ground. And, you have to be strong to be respected. If you're not respected, you're dismissed as easily as a stray dog on the street. Make no mistake about it....American actions (or lack of action) in recent years has seriously eroded how we're viewed in that part of the world. Also, that part of the world is much, much older than America. As a result, they take a much longer view of world events. History has repeatedly shown no country stays at the top of its power forever. Every country peaks and declines in its strength and its ability to influence world events. They see America as having peaked and in the process of declining.
Tidewater is spot on in his assessment.
Downing an airplane with artillery fire is unlikely. Anti-Aircraft Artillery (AAA, lots of smaller bullets) is possible, but hitting a plane with field artillery (one big bullet) would be a great stroke of luck. Or, in this case, a stroke of bad luck.
This situation is not helpful.
The Russians are saying it is artillery. Not sure how they would know at this point. The first report is almost always wrong. F-16 shootdown is also possible, maybe more plausible. Where the plane when down will tell a lot.
Unfortunately, you're not alone. This goes against everything I was brought up to believe, but yes, I've been a Putin fan for a while now.
I would recommend the book Strongman.
I mean Between 7 Dec 1941 and 9 Aug 1945, Stalin was an ally, but man, I would not have been too comfortable getting too cozy with "Uncle Joe."
Uncle Joe makes Putin look like a pacifist.
McArthur and Patton were right. We should have taken them while we had the troops there.
Islamists attack a hotel in El Arish northern Sinai.
Three killed.
The hotel housed "judges who were monitoring voting in Egypt’s parliamentary elections."
El Arish is not much of a town. But you can still see the remnants of the fortress wall Napoleon stormed, pockmarked by the British bombardment for World War I.
Three killed.
The hotel housed "judges who were monitoring voting in Egypt’s parliamentary elections."
El Arish is not much of a town. But you can still see the remnants of the fortress wall Napoleon stormed, pockmarked by the British bombardment for World War I.
So the pilots parachuted out of the plane and Turkish forces (inside Syria, btw) are saying they shot the pilots dead as they were parachuting to the ground.
I'm gonna go ahead and say that's not a good development in these proceedings.
I'm gonna go ahead and say that's not a good development in these proceedings.
What is funny is that this is a violation of the Geneva Convention. Shooting paratroopers under canopy is legal, but shooting air crew abandoning a disabled plane is not.
Yes. Here is the article, which seems to give credence to Russia's claim that the plane was in Syrian airspace:
http://news.yahoo.com/turkmen-forces-syria-shot-dead-pilots-downed-russian-143818517.html#
For appearances, it looks to me that the guys shooting at the pilots under canopy are Kurds, not Turkish soldiers.
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