Black Mizzou players say they'll strike until president Tim Wolfe resigns

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I watched a video someone posted on line of the UM Prez engaging with protesters at some previous date. They surprised him on a sidewalk on campus, apparently. He did not handle himself well. He spoke with more arrogance than understanding. It would have been better to let his public relations folks handle that encounter.
Who knows, maybe he was close to retirement/moving on, so he said, "What the heck. I don't need this crap. I'll just give and move one, and hope for Mizzou's sake that this blows over."
But you are right, this sets an interesting precedent.
I have no idea what the endgame is at this point...
 

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I will refrain from commenting on a non-sports issue on the football forum, but Seebell made this comment.
Social justice is a radical idea? WOW!
I guess that would depend on what one means by "social justice." That is a notoriously nebulous concept. If you mean treating people equally, regardless of their race or color, guaranteeing equality of opportunity, but not necessarily outcome, then most Americans would agree, and not find that "radical." This appears to be rather more than just that.

Marshall Allen said:
“The resignation of Tim Wolfe is a glimmer of hope for historically marginalized students whose voices have been silent by patriarchal, white male institutions. Moving forward, Concerned Student 1950 demands an immediate meeting with the UM system Faculty Counsel, Board of Curators and the governor of the state (??) of Missouri to discuss shared governance (??) and create a system of holistic inclusion (??) for all constituents.”
So, they demand an immediate meet with the governor? So who else gets to demand the governor's time.
The demand to discuss "shared governance?" What does that mean? Did the people of Missouri not already provide for governance of the University of Missouri? Who made these students the arbiters of what constitutes legitimate "governance?" If you don't like what that governance looks like, run a candidate committed to changing it and win the next dadgum election.
And what, perchance, is "holistic inclusion?" I dare say that University of Missouri community at large is a lot more inclusive than the population of the state at large. Who exactly is being excluded from the "system" at the University of Missouri?

This is opening up a can of worms, ceding the rostrum to a bunch of malcontents for open-ended debates. The authorities are going to have to draw a line somewhere.

Then again, November 2016 is coming and just like 1968, if the radicals (on campus and elsewhere) go too far, then they will have scared America into voting for candidates that the radicals had not intended to support.
 

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I will refrain from commenting on a non-sports issue on the football forum, but Seebell made this comment.

I guess that would depend on what one means by "social justice." That is a notoriously nebulous concept. If you mean treating people equally, regardless of their race or color, guaranteeing equality of opportunity, but not necessarily outcome, then most Americans would agree, and not find that "radical." This appears to be rather more than just that.


So, they demand an immediate meet with the governor? So who else gets to demand the governor's time.
The demand to discuss "shared governance?" What does that mean? Did the people of Missouri not already provide for governance of the University of Missouri? Who made these students the arbiters of what constitutes legitimate "governance?" If you don't like what that governance looks like, run a candidate committed to changing it and win the next dadgum election.
And what, perchance, is "holistic inclusion?" I dare say that University of Missouri community at large is a lot more inclusive than the population of the state at large. Who exactly is being excluded from the "system" at the University of Missouri?

This is opening up a can of worms, ceding the rostrum to a bunch of malcontents for open-ended debates. The authorities are going to have to draw a line somewhere.

Then again, November 2016 is coming and just like 1968, if the radicals (on campus and elsewhere) go too far, then they will have scared America into voting for candidates that the radicals had not intended to support.
I've closed the discussion there and invited all to continue here. It's drifted far from a football discussion. It was barely connected in the first place...
 

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I've closed the discussion there and invited all to continue here. It's drifted far from a football discussion. It was barely connected in the first place...
Well darn. I did have a football related question.

Did I hear Pinkel say that the players came to him and told (or asked) him that they wanted to go to campus and be apart of campus life? It seemed like he gave his permission for them to go to campus to see what was going on. Where do the players live and go to class that they are not regularly on campus? My son sees our players on campus all the time. Friends of his have had classes with our players. What is different at UM?


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  2. “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.
  3. “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.
  4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
  5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
  6. “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.
  7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news.
  8. “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.
  9. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.
  10. "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition." It is this unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for the success of the campaign.
  11. “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.
  12. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem.
  13. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.
This seems to be becoming the norm.
 

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For those of you who are still deluded under the cloud of pervasive racism (by white folk) is the cause, here we have the fascist left on full display:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/09/mizzou-communications-prof-calls-muscle-student-journalist/


So, we have a tenured professor, preventing a student journalist from doing their job. And calling for "muscle" to prevent them from doing that task.

And what does this professor "teach"?

Well, since you asked.........

Her work in this area is guided by audience studies, theories of gender and sexuality, and media literacy. Current research projects involve 50 Shades of Grey readers, the impact of social media in fans’ relationship with Lady Gaga, masculinity and male fans, messages about class and food in reality television programming, and messages about work in children’s television programs.
Let's see someone get a job after studying 4 years of that codswallop.

But, why stop with that display of fascism?

Here are the little spoiled punks preventing a "real" journalist from doing their job:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/11/09/university-missouri-protesters-harass-photojournalists/

Funny how they only believe in "free speech" that conforms to their idiotic PC culture.
 

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For those of you who are still deluded under the cloud of pervasive racism (by white folk) is the cause, here we have the fascist left on full display:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/09/mizzou-communications-prof-calls-muscle-student-journalist/


So, we have a tenured professor, preventing a student journalist from doing their job. And calling for "muscle" to prevent them from doing that task.

And what does this professor "teach"?

Well, since you asked.........



Let's see someone get a job after studying 4 years of that codswallop.

But, why stop with that display of fascism?

Here are the little spoiled punks preventing a "real" journalist from doing their job:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journa...-missouri-protesters-harass-photojournalists/

Funny how they only believe in "free speech" that conforms to their idiotic PC culture.
God is appalled at your lack of empathy for people simply walking forward and exercising their muscles.
 

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Adding to cuda's post:

https://reason.com/blog/2015/11/06/watch-students-tell-yale-to-fire-a-staff

Christakis began to say that he had a different view of his role at the college, but the student cut him off, saying:
“Then step down! If that is what you think about being a [inaudible] master, then you should step down. It is not about creating an intellectual space! It is not! Do you understand that? It’s about creating a home here! You are not doing that. You’re going against that.”
It is not about creating an intellectual space, the students claim; it’s about creating safe spaces. This is as clear an articulation of students’ desires as they come, and it summarizes everything that's wrong with the modern college campus.
Students should of course feel free to challenge university administrators—this is the essence of free speech. Students have every right to publicize their concerns and work to make Yale a more welcoming place for marginalized people (and administrators should listen). But a great many students, it seems, don’t actually desire a campus climate where such matters are up for debate. By their own admission, they want anyone who disagrees with them branded a threat to their safety and removed from their lives.
If these students get their wish to turn Yale and other campuses into zones of emotional coddling, they will succeed only in destroying the very point of college.
 

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Adding to cuda's post:

https://reason com/blog/2015/11/06/watch-students-tell-yale-to-fire-a-staff

Christakis began to say that he had a different view of his role at the college, but the student cut him off, saying:
“Then step down! If that is what you think about being a [inaudible] master, then you should step down It is not about creating an intellectual space! It is not! Do you understand that? It’s about creating a home here! You are not doing that. You’re going against that.”
It is not about creating an intellectual space, the students claim; it’s about creating safe spaces. This is as clear an articulation of students’ desires as they come, and it summarizes everything that's wrong with the modern college campus.
Students should of course feel free to challenge university administrators—this is the essence of free speech Students have every right to publicize their concerns and work to make Yale a more welcoming place for marginalized people (and administrators should listen) But a great many students, it seems, don’t actually desire a campus climate where such matters are up for debate By their own admission, they want anyone who disagrees with them branded a threat to their safety and removed from their lives
If these students get their wish to turn Yale and other campuses into zones of emotional coddling, they will succeed only in destroying the very point of college.
I have to say, having to hear someone use a racial epithet is not pleasant, but I believe the use of that word injures the speaker more than the hearer, unless, perhaps, the speaker is an ESPN analyst.
One of the important things that distinguishes the West from the other cultures of the globe is the ability to examine multiple sides of issues, apply rational thought to them and select the best ideas to develop and implement.
* "Test all things, hold fast to that which is good."
* "The Scientific Method."
* "Judge people not by the color of their skin, but the content of their character."
There are all part and parcel of what made the West the dominant culture globally.
This has not been uniform, but it is generally true in ways in which it has never been true about pre-Columbian America, Africa, or Asia. It helps explain why we speak English in Alabama but they don't speak Cherokee in London.
Now these ideas are subtly retreating.
it is important for minority students “to have involvement in who’s going to be in authority and who’s going to have power over us instead of just the older, white men who only care about the money. It’s more than the money, it’s about the school itself. ”
That sounds like race prejudice to me.
Students who hear an ugly racial epithet are not materially damaged. It is just that small-minded people have self-identified as such. Now you know who not to hang out with But this does not give one group of students to power to block the speech of others or to place extraordinary demands on the University.
Specific proposals might help understand what these students want. Want a university "Office of Diversity?" Okay. Mizzou already has one. Want more African-American students. Well, that would depend on the quality of the applicants Want the race of applicants to count for more than GPAs, standardized testing, and extra-curriculars, in an effort to increase minority enrollment? That is a little more problematic. (See bullet number 3 above)

Here are some of the demands:
In the preamble, these students declare, "Concerned Student 1950, thus, represents every Black student admitted to the University of Missouri since then and their sentiments regarding race related affairs affecting their lives at a predominantly white institution." Really? How did Concerned Student 1950 get the authority to speak for every black student. Are there no dissenters from the positions taken by Concerned Student 1950? CS1950 speaks for all, simply based on their skin color? And wouldn't that be an example of race prejudice?

"Not only do our white peers sit in silence in the face of our oppression but also our administrators who perpetuate that oppression through their inaction." The oppression I am reading about consists of hearing others use racial epithets. They are also oppressed by not being allowed to stand in the road (in violation of law) to confront the car of the President of the University That level of "oppression" is not exactly "Mississippi Burning."

* "We demand the immediate removal of Tim Wolfe as UM system president " So, this group, which claims to speak for all African-American students, now gets to speak exclusively for all students in demanding that the president of all students resign. That does not strike me a terribly democratic.

"We demand that the University of Missouri creates and enforces comprehensive racial awareness and inclusion curriculum (sic) throughout all campus departments and units, mandatory for all students, faculty, staff, and administration." So everyone is going to have to take racial awareness and [an] inclusion curriculum, whether they have demonstrated a need for such training? Who is going to pay for this? How does this add to the University's broader mission?

Here's a gem:
* "This curriculum must be vetted, maintained, and overseen by a board comprised of students, staff, and faculty of color." So, apparently, only students, staff and faculty "of color" can vet, maintain and oversee this curriculum That sounds to me to be racially bigoted.

* "We demand that by the academic year 2017- 2018, the University of Missouri increases the percentage of black faculty and staff campus- wide to 10% " That sounds like a racial criteria Checked the data.
UM faculty & staff is now 2.2% Hispanic, 5.7% African-American, 7.3% Asian, 82.9% White, 1.9% other
The state as a whole is 4% Hispanic, 11.8% AA, 83.5% white, & 1.9% Asian.
So if we are going by proportion, whites are under-represented on the faculty/staff, African-Americans are under-represented and Asians are grossly over-represented. Will the University be substantively improved if they fired a bunch of the Asian faculty & staff and hired more African-Americans and a few more Hispanics? I don't know, how about hiring the best candidates regardless of race, color, creed, sex, but based on competence, skill & will?

* "We demand that the University of Missouri composes a strategic 10 year plan by May 1, 2016 that will increase retention rates for marginalized students, sustain diversity curriculum and
training, and promote a more safe and inclusive campus." Who is marginalized and why are they having trouble being retained?

* "We demand that the University of Missouri increases funding, resources, and personnel for the social justices (sic) centers on campus for the purpose of hiring additional professionals, particularly those of color." Besides the grammatical error, this is another appeal for money and to be spent based on race.
 
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