Tuscaloosa police use taser on student

TheAccountant · Nov 10, 2015

crimsonaudio said:
Just playing devil's advocate here, but it's often difficult to tell when someone is resisting - I've seen quite a few videos where it looks like an officers is using way too much force only to later see his body cam that clearly showed the subject fighting to avoid being cuffed.

You had one cop leg locking him on top while another cops is beating the hell out of him. Tough to show you're capitulating at that point with two cops working you over. Not to mention before the beatings started the kid was laying on his back with arms up.

Regardless, of what transpire before the nearly 3 minute long video started the rolling, the threat posed by that kid not justify the abuse given. You can tell it was vindictive by the initial cop coming back and jerking that girl who ....ed him off onto the concrete.

81usaf92 · Nov 10, 2015

TheAccountant said:
You had one cop leg locking him on top while another cops is beating the hell out of him. Tough to show you're capitulating at that point with two cops working you over. Not to mention before the beatings started the kid was laying on his back with arms up.

Regardless, of what transpire before the nearly 3 minute long video started the rolling, the threat posed by that kid not justify the abuse given. You can tell it was vindictive by the initial cop coming back and jerking that girl who ....ed him off onto the concrete.

on your back with your hands up doesn't mean you aren't resisting at that point because Im quiet sure that certainly means you are being forcibly arrested so anything but putting your hands behind your back is technically resisting. plus where they were hitting him were compliance areas and not vital areas so if they can justify he was actively resisting their order, which they probably will atleast get that part right, then that wont be the major issue. The major issue is figuring out what happened before the cameras were on because if the cops can prove they had some sort of reason to enter and detain the individuals then it changes the whole dynamic of the incident, and there are some possible reasons but we wont know until the actual details come out.

Also its worth noting that the girl yelling "Are they being arrested or detained?" is an idiot because either way they are in police custody.

TheAccountant · Nov 10, 2015

81usaf92 said:
on your back with your hands up doesn't mean you aren't resisting at that point because Im quiet sure that certainly means you are being forcibly arrested so anything but putting your hands behind your back is technically resisting. plus where they were hitting him were compliance areas and not vital areas so if they can justify he was actively resisting their order, which they probably will atleast get that part right, then that wont be the major issue. The major issue is figuring out what happened before the cameras were on because if the cops can prove they had some sort of reason to enter and detain the individuals then it changes the whole dynamic of the incident, and there are some possible reasons but we wont know until the actual details come out.

Also its worth noting that the girl yelling "Are they being arrested or detained?" is an idiot because either way they are in police custody.

LOL! Are you a cop?

92tide · Nov 10, 2015

81usaf92 said:
on your back with your hands up doesn't mean you aren't resisting at that point because Im quiet sure that certainly means you are being forcibly arrested so anything but putting your hands behind your back is technically resisting. plus where they were hitting him were compliance areas and not vital areas so if they can justify he was actively resisting their order, which they probably will atleast get that part right, then that wont be the major issue. The major issue is figuring out what happened before the cameras were on because if the cops can prove they had some sort of reason to enter and detain the individuals then it changes the whole dynamic of the incident, and there are some possible reasons but we wont know until the actual details come out.

Also its worth noting that the girl yelling "Are they being arrested or detained?" is an idiot because either way they are in police custody.

that sounds a lot like the "why do you keep hitting yourself" game that older cousins used to love to play

major tidefan · Nov 10, 2015

Heads will roll.

MOAN · Nov 10, 2015

crimsonaudio said:
Was the part in bold supposed to be blue?

Blue?? Blue lights??

Would have been a smarter move than what they did don't ya think? I guess we shall all see when it ends but my money is on it ending badly for the policemen. I have seen hostage situations last for hours and if I were a policeman dealing with this kind of situation it would make me suspicious of what is going on inside so I think waiting on a warrant to be issued by a judge would be well worth the time spent.

Surely the apartment manager or land lord would be one of the first places I would think a policeman would go to find out who they are dealing with. They cut power, water and other utilities in hostage situations all the time, probably standard protocol. If they had treated this as a hostage situation, which they did not know it could have been, they would be being praised right now not ridiculed.

I bet you money those kids would have come out on their own once the electricity, water, gas, cable were cut. Then once out of their home no one would blame the police for using force if they resisted. Then again I don't know a dang thing about it so its probably another hare brained idea I seem to frequently have these days!!

92tide · Nov 10, 2015

MOAN said:
Blue?? Blue lights?? Would have been a smarter move than what they did don't ya think? I guess we shall all see when it ends but my money is on it ending badly for the policemen. I have seen hostage situations last for hours and if I were a policeman dealing with this kind of situation it would make me suspicious of what is going on inside so I think waiting on a warrant to be issued by a judge would be well worth the time spent.

Surely the apartment manager or land lord would be one of the first places I would think a policeman would go to find out who they are dealing with. They cut power, water and other utilities in hostage situations all the time, probably standard protocol. If they had treated this as a hostage situation, which they did not know it could have been, they would be being praised right now not ridiculed.

I bet you money those kids would have come out on their own once the electricity, water, gas, cable were cut. Then once out of their home no one would blame the police for using force if they resisted. Then again I don't know a dang thing about it so its probably another hare brained idea I seem to frequently have these days!!

what the popo didn't realize is that the students were holding the entire lsu offensive front in the back room and had replaced them with incompetent doppelgangers

Tidewater · Nov 10, 2015

92tide said:
what the popo didn't realize is that the students were holding the entire lsu offensive front in the back room and had replaced them with incompetent doppelgangers

So that's what happened.

81usaf92 · Nov 10, 2015

TheAccountant said:
LOL! Are you a cop?

Was when I was in the military but now I'm not.

bamabelle1991 · Nov 10, 2015

crimsonaudio said:
Just playing devil's advocate here, but it's often difficult to tell when someone is resisting - I've seen quite a few videos where it looks like an officers is using way too much force only to later see his body cam that clearly showed the subject fighting to avoid being cuffed.

Still too early for me to pass judgement on the officers - I've done that based on partial / short cell phone videos before only to be dead wrong about how they handled there situation. I admit it doesn't look good for TPD here, but I'll wait to see what comes out.

Yeah, I'm interested in body camera videos as well. Does TPD have them? I hope so. I come from the belief that a wooden spoon isn't just use for cooking, if you know what I mean. LOL. So, seeing people who are belligerent and are committing crimes get what they rightly deserve, isn't something that bothers me. Unnecessary force, when proven, is a bad thing, though.

RTR91 · Nov 10, 2015

bamabelle1991 said:
Yeah, I'm interested in body camera videos as well. Does TPD have them? I hope so. I come from the belief that a wooden spoon isn't just use for cooking, if you know what I mean. LOL. So, seeing people who are belligerent and are committing crimes get what they rightly deserve, isn't something that bothers me. Unnecessary force, when proven, is a bad thing, though.

WSFA said TPD said they had hours of body camera footage to examine.

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2003TIDE · Nov 10, 2015

bamabelle1991 said:
Does TPD have them? .

The article I read quoted the chief as saying he thinks most or all TPD officers involved had cameras. No word on the UAPD officers involved.

bamabelle1991 · Nov 18, 2015

Here is the body cam footage. Over 2 hours of it. Does not paint the original officer in a good light. He seems to know little of the law. The video of the police removing the students from the apartment has been redacted. Not sure what else there really is to see. That is the part in question. Anyway, here it is.

http://tide991.com/tuscaloosa-police-release-body-cam-video-showing-ua-student-arrests/

TheAccountant · Nov 18, 2015

Presser at 11. Hope a few boys in blue are without a job come lunch time.

81usaf92 · Nov 18, 2015

bamabelle1991 said:
Here is the body cam footage. Over 2 hours of it. Does not paint the original officer in a good light. He seems to know little of the law. The video of the police removing the students from the apartment has been redacted. Not sure what else there really is to see. That is the part in question. Anyway, here it is.

http://tide991.com/tuscaloosa-police-release-body-cam-video-showing-ua-student-arrests/

Watch 3:35 again. The officer had not entered and was touched by the drunk. At that moment the officer had every right to enter because the idiot decided to put his hands on the officer. Now the excessive force way after and the gung-ho speech are up for debate.

TheAccountant · Nov 18, 2015

81usaf92 said:
Watch 3:35 again. The officer had not entered and was touched by the drunk. At that moment the officer had every right to enter because the idiot decided to put his hands on the officer. Now the excessive force way after and the gung-ho speech are up for debate.

The Tuscaloosa Police Chief disagrees with your assessment:

In an 11 a.m. press conference, Tuscaloosa police Chief Steven Anderson said, "Based on what I've seen, the individual did not have to exit the apartment." Asked if the officers had the right to go in to the apartment, the chief said, "Based on what I've seen, no."

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/i...ody_cam_footage_releas.html#incart_river_home

81usaf92 · Nov 18, 2015

TheAccountant said:
The Tuscaloosa Police Chief disagrees with your assessment:

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/i...ody_cam_footage_releas.html#incart_river_home

And the cops are still on paid suspension after he said that. So it's possible that he is more condemning the demeanor of the cop and waiting on ia and legal to determine if the touching of the police officer is enough to grant entry for the arrest and if excessive force was utilized. We shall see...

RedStar · Nov 19, 2015

81usaf92 said:
Watch 3:35 again. The officer had not entered and was touched by the drunk. At that moment the officer had every right to enter because the idiot decided to put his hands on the officer. Now the excessive force way after and the gung-ho speech are up for debate.

You can see his hand hover over the camera. I don't see contact.

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