LSU Coach Les Miles May Be Coaching For His Job (situation still unsettled)...

Re: L5U Coach Les Miles May Be Coaching For His Job (Per Baton Rouge Advocate)

Redwood Forrest said:

If Mark Richt is always on the hot seat how do you feel Les would not be? Richt is 74% and always "getting fired". Les is 78% and always "getting fired". Seems about the same problem in either place.

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but les can occasionally win the big game, something that richt has trouble with.

Re: L5U Coach Les Miles May Be Coaching For His Job (Per Baton Rouge Advocate)

The crazy thing is I don't see any difference in Coach Saban's philosophy on offense. Since McElwain came on board, conceptually, it's no different today. We've added in what I would call wrinkles here and there (pistol, wildcat, some QB read draws, hurry up) but we are still a power running team with a downfield play action passing game built to make explosive plays.

Coach Saban's adjustments have been nothing in the realm of Coach Bryant switching from the pro set to the wishbone, IMO. He's really just tweaked things on offense (and defense).

But I do agree it seems Les hasn't even been able to do that.

Re: L5U Coach Les Miles May Be Coaching For His Job (Per Baton Rouge Advocate)

2003TIDE said:

Maybe you don't consider LSU an elite program, but that is an elite coach's salary. If they want to go back to making $500,000k a year or so, maybe they can have more leeway.

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You are right that its an elite coaches salary, but I do not, and have never considered LSU an elite program. Again, Coach Saban had them playing among the elites and Coach Miles sort of had a continuation, if you will, but if you put together a historical list of elite programs, at top-10 sort of...LSU doesn't make the cut.
There are other colleges that are paying 7 figure salaries that would love to have the potential of a 10-3 season. Not gonna get into a ....in' contest but I think LSU has had many great moments, teams, & players...a great program yes, elite no.
But I do emphatically agree with you on your last point, if you are gonna pay $500,000 a year, you do get more leeway...so the boosters in Baton Rouge don't feel as though they're getting their money's worth...I can understand that one...I may disagree with them, but its not my money

Re: L5U Coach Les Miles May Be Coaching For His Job (Per Baton Rouge Advocate)

Redwood Forrest said:

If Mark Richt is always on the hot seat how do you feel Les would not be? Richt is 74% and always "getting fired". Les is 78% and always "getting fired". Seems about the same problem in either place.

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And that's why he'd fit in well there, LOL

Re: L5U Coach Les Miles May Be Coaching For His Job (Per Baton Rouge Advocate)

This is the latest from Les on NOLA.com.

Is it just me or it seems he is saying screw it, let them do what they want to do. Not much passion from him. So I wonder if its a done deal he is gone.

http://www.nola.com/lsu/index.ssf/2015/11/les_miles_im_not_going_to_defe.html#incart_river_index

Re: L5U Coach Les Miles May Be Coaching For His Job (Per Baton Rouge Advocate)

Winning 10 games isn't what it used to be, but anybody want to guess how many times LSU has won 10 games in their football history????

Before 2000?
Since 2000?

Since 2000, about the time they hire one CNS, they've won 10 games 9 times.

Before that??? Just 5 times did they win 10 games.

Basically, almost all their success, except their 1958 NC, has come in the 2000's.

They are the SEC's version of UF in the 1990's...never done a thing until a generational coach shows up.

They believe they are football royalty, when in fact, they are not.

Re: L5U Coach Les Miles May Be Coaching For His Job (Per Baton Rouge Advocate)

BamaMoon said:

Winning 10 games isn't what it used to be, but anybody want to guess how many times LSU has won 10 games in their football history????

Before 2000?
Since 2000?

Since 2000, about the time they hire one CNS, they've won 10 games 9 times.

Before that??? Just 5 times did they win 10 games.

Basically, almost all their success, except their 1958 NC, has come in the 2000's.

They are the SEC's version of UF in the 1990's...never done a thing until a generational coach shows up.

They believe they are football royalty, when in fact, they are not.

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You need to 'dance with who brung ya', LSU is on third base and wants to fire the guy who hit the triple.

Re: L5U Coach Les Miles May Be Coaching For His Job (Per Baton Rouge Advocate)

BamaMoon said:

Winning 10 games isn't what it used to be, but anybody want to guess how many times LSU has won 10 games in their football history????

Before 2000?
Since 2000?

Since 2000, about the time they hire one CNS, they've won 10 games 9 times.

Before that??? Just 5 times did they win 10 games.

Basically, almost all their success, except their 1958 NC, has come in the 2000's.

They are the SEC's version of UF in the 1990's...never done a thing until a generational coach shows up.

They believe they are football royalty, when in fact, they are not.

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It's a lot easier to win 10 games with a 13 or 14 game schedule, than it is with an 11 or 12 game schedule; going back before 92, you're comparing apples to oranges.
All I'm saying is, 10 wins ain't what it was 25-30 years ago, percentage wise.

Re: L5U Coach Les Miles May Be Coaching For His Job (Per Baton Rouge Advocate)

twofbyc said:

It's a lot easier to win 10 games with a 13 or 14 game schedule, than it is with an 11 or 12 game schedule; going back before 92, you're comparing apples to oranges.
All I'm saying is, 10 wins ain't what it was 25-30 years ago, percentage wise.

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You're missing the point, their success is basically a product of the CNS and post CNS years.

I acknowledged your point about the 10 win seasons ("winning 10 games isn't what it used to be").

Re: L5U Coach Les Miles May Be Coaching For His Job (Per Baton Rouge Advocate)

BamainBoston said:

It's never a done deal until it's announced, but it's as close to a done deal as it could be.

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LSU has already torpedoed their #1 recruiting class with talk of firing Les Miles. 4 and 5 star guys want a situation where the man recruits them and is there while they are. Not in a lame duck status... Enough damage is done that even if they don't fire Les, he's likely to leave anyway.

Re: L5U Coach Les Miles May Be Coaching For His Job (Per Baton Rouge Advocate)

Here's the thing, I can, will, and have said Les Miles isn't that special. I've said he just didn't wreck the sports car. But, there's a lot to that. People talk about talent and all of that, but he's been a fantastic recruiter. We commented before that anyone can recruit for Texas, recruits just line up to play for them, etc...

Yet, Strong over at Texas has the #52 recruiting class. 52! Sure he may be a better coach that Mack Brown, that's possible, but how well can a guy do when he's struggling to get a 3 star class average? Can other coaches do better at LSU than Les Miles? May be, probably... but no one can take it for granted that another coach is going to have a bunch of top 5 recruiting classes. I'll be glad if he's gone.

Re: L5U Coach Les Miles May Be Coaching For His Job (Per Baton Rouge Advocate)

Ldlane said:

I think LSU is making a mistake, but Miles is a good coach and will land somewhere major. He may be unconventional, but that is what sets him apart from others in my opinion. The grass may be sweeter somewhere else Coach Miles!

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SEC Media days next year won't be the same w/o Les Miles and Steve Spurrier. Writers better bring 'NO DOZE'.

Re: L5U Coach Les Miles May Be Coaching For His Job (Per Baton Rouge Advocate)

KrAzY3 said:

Here's the thing, I can, will, and have said Les Miles isn't that special. I've said he just didn't wreck the sports car. But, there's a lot to that. People talk about talent and all of that, but he's been a fantastic recruiter. We commented before that anyone can recruit for Texas, recruits just line up to play for them, etc...

Yet, Strong over at Texas has the #52 recruiting class. 52! Sure he may be a better coach that Mack Brown, that's possible, but how well can a guy do when he's struggling to get a 3 star class average? Can other coaches do better at LSU than Les Miles? May be, probably... but no one can take it for granted that another coach is going to have a bunch of top 5 recruiting classes. I'll be glad if he's gone.

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No one puts players in the NFL like Alabama, LSU, and Florida State these days. He's lost his mojo against Alabama. (And since that is basically their season, when they lose to us, it kills them the rest of the year from a motivational standpoint). It's not his fault that he is inexorably linked to Nick Saban. It is, what it is.

Re: L5U Coach Les Miles May Be Coaching For His Job (Per Baton Rouge Advocate)

twofbyc said:

It's a lot easier to win 10 games with a 13 or 14 game schedule, than it is with an 11 or 12 game schedule; going back before 92, you're comparing apples to oranges.
All I'm saying is, 10 wins ain't what it was 25-30 years ago, percentage wise.

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Ask Texas, Auburn, A&M, Notre Dame how easy a 10 win season is, I understand percentages but a 10 win season is still a success. Look at the money these schools put into their efforts vs. results.

Re: L5U Coach Les Miles May Be Coaching For His Job (Per Baton Rouge Advocate)

That they are putting this off until after the aTm games tells me there is turmoil and two factions at work here. What is so special about one game? What if they beat them, which I bet they will, the players like him. What then?

Re: L5U Coach Les Miles May Be Coaching For His Job (Per Baton Rouge Advocate)

Sabanizer said:

That they are putting this off until after the aTm games tells me there is turmoil and two factions at work here. What is so special about one game? What if they beat them, which I bet they will, the players like him. What then?

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I read somewhere his buyout is $15M, but that drops to $12M in December. If that's true, it makes sense.

Re: L5U Coach Les Miles May Be Coaching For His Job (Per Baton Rouge Advocate)

mikes12 said:

I read somewhere his buyout is $15M, but that drops to $12M in December. If that's true, it makes sense.

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Not until January, by which time several coaching vacancies will have been filled.