Scenario with 2 B1G Teams in the Playoffs

theballguy · Nov 29, 2015

In the conference championships we have:

Bama vs Florida -> Bama will win this one -- if not, we have no case for getting in and the rest of this post won't matter.

Iowa vs Michigan State -> I think Iowa wins this one but it could go either way. Whoever wins gets in. That's all there is to it.

NC vs Clemson -> Clemson should win by a TD or so.

Stanford vs USC -> Stanford should win again but it won't matter really. Stanford will not get in unless they win and maybe we lose (our game against Florida is expected to be the most lopsided) and Clemson loses. Would a two loss Pac12 champ really trump Ohio State? I'm not so sure.

Big 12: Oklahoma (champ) - they're in and won't be left out. I don't foresee a way they don't. This time I think a lack of a conference championship game helps them.

Top 4 *should* be:

Clemson
Bama
Oklahoma
Iowa/Michigan St.

However, if Clemson loses which with a TD favorite in their game against UNC, who gets in? I'm thinking Ohio State. I think even if Baylor blows Texas out -- which is somewhat likely, I don't see how they keep Baylor in front of Ohio St. Or is it that a Clemson with a close loss to #14 UNC (UNC will be ranked higher -- probably 10 or so but not higher) would still stay in front of Ohio State? Hard to tell. So, this top 4 finish in my opinion could either be intriguing based on what Clemson does. Have I missed any other scenarios? Any other opinions? I would love to hear them.

selmaborntidefan · Nov 29, 2015

If they select Ohio St again then charges of bias will erode their low credibility. I think Ohio St is the better team but they're not a conference champion and technically not even second given the records of the teams if Iowa loses (how can one say championships matter then put Ohio St ahead of a division champion with the same record? Oh that's right, they just make it up as they go).

I DO think Ohio St is the best B1G team but given the criteria I doubt they have a shot.

ALA2262 · Nov 29, 2015

A precedent they do not want to set. End of story.

teamplayer · Nov 29, 2015

selmaborntidefan said:
If they select Ohio St again then charges of bias will erode their low credibility. I think Ohio St is the better team but they're not a conference champion and technically not even second given the records of the teams if Iowa loses (how can one say championships matter then put Ohio St ahead of a division champion with the same record? Oh that's right, they just make it up as they go).

I DO think Ohio St is the best B1G team but given the criteria I doubt they have a shot.

I agree. Frankly, I also think Clemson/UNC is a play in game. If Clemson wins, they keep their one ranking; whereas, a UNC win may get them the four spot. Bama has to finish by beating UF, and we are in. I think OU is in, but it still stinks that they don't have a championship game. Then Iowa/Michigan St. winner is in. In my opinion, the only way any other team has a shot is if we lose to UF. That's my take, for what it's worth.

Redwood Forrest · Nov 29, 2015

teamplayer said:
I agree. Frankly, I also think Clemson/UNC is a play in game. If Clemson wins, they keep their one ranking; whereas, a UNC win may get them the four spot. Bama has to finish by beating UF, and we are in. I think OU is in, but it still stinks that they don't have a championship game. Then Iowa/Michigan St. winner is in. In my opinion, the only way any other team has a shot is if we lose to UF. That's my take, for what it's worth.

Either Oklahoma or Notre Dame is in. Alabama, Iowa, or Clemson COULD LOSE OUT. WHY NOT MAKE THE TOP FOUR RIGHT NOW IF CONFERENCE CHAMPSIONSHIP GAMES DON'T MATTER. Oklahoma and ND cannot lose. It sucks.

GrayTide · Nov 29, 2015

IMO, a loss by either Clemson or Alabama would open the door for tOSU. Yes, in that case the B1G would have 2 teams in the final four.

teamplayer · Nov 29, 2015

Redwood Forrest said:
Either Oklahoma or Notre Dame is in. Alabama, Iowa, or Clemson COULD LOSE OUT. WHY NOT MAKE THE TOP FOUR RIGHT NOW IF CONFERENCE CHAMPSIONSHIP GAMES DON'T MATTER. Oklahoma and ND cannot lose. It sucks.

Well, Notre Dame lost yesterday, so I think they are out of the discussion.

teamplayer · Nov 29, 2015

GrayTide said:
IMO, a loss by either Clemson or Alabama would open the door for tOSU. Yes, in that case the B1G would have 2 teams in the final four.

I think that may happen if we lose, but a 12-1 ACC champ UNC should trump a 3rd place Big 10 OSU if the committee's "standards" hold true.

GrayTide · Nov 29, 2015

teamplayer said:
I think that may happen if we lose, but a 12-1 ACC champ UNC should trump a 3rd place Big 10 OSU if the committee's "standards" hold true.

Agreed, "if the committee's standards hold true".

B1GTide · Nov 29, 2015

teamplayer said:
I think that may happen if we lose, but a 12-1 ACC champ UNC should trump a 3rd place Big 10 OSU if the committee's "standards" hold true.

This is the way that I see it - the Buckeyes only get in if Alabama loses, and that isn't going to happen. A shame, but losing a game that late in the season is generally impossible to overcome.

Loam · Nov 29, 2015

If UNC beats Clemson and we beat Florida, we move up to #1 and UNC gets in at #4. We'll play UNC first round.

Al A Bama · Nov 29, 2015

theballguy said:
In the conference championships we have:

Bama vs Florida -> Bama will win this one -- if not, we have no case for getting in and the rest of this post won't matter.

Iowa vs Michigan State -> I think Iowa wins this one but it could go either way. Whoever wins gets in. That's all there is to it.

NC vs Clemson -> Clemson should win by a TD or so.

Stanford vs USC -> Stanford should win again but it won't matter really. Stanford will not get in unless they win and maybe we lose (our game against Florida is expected to be the most lopsided) and Clemson loses. Would a two loss Pac12 champ really trump Ohio State? I'm not so sure.

Big 12: Oklahoma (champ) - they're in and won't be left out. I don't foresee a way they don't. This time I think a lack of a conference championship game helps them.

Top 4 *should* be:

Clemson

Bama

Oklahoma

Iowa/Michigan St.

However, if Clemson loses which with a TD favorite in their game against UNC, who gets in? I'm thinking Ohio State. I think even if Baylor blows Texas out -- which is somewhat likely, I don't see how they keep Baylor in front of Ohio St. Or is it that a Clemson with a close loss to #14 UNC (UNC will be ranked higher -- probably 10 or so but not higher) would still stay in front of Ohio State? Hard to tell. So, this top 4 finish in my opinion could either be intriguing based on what Clemson does. Have I missed any other scenarios? Any other opinions? I would love to hear them.

I already think tOSU is one of the BEST 4 teams in college football! And Zeke is begging to get the ball as much as Henry does. He beat Michigan yesterday with a little help from his friends.

And, I do think UNC will beat Clemsoning!

CrimsonForce · Nov 29, 2015

Redwood Forrest said:
Either Oklahoma or Notre Dame is in. Alabama, Iowa, or Clemson COULD LOSE OUT. WHY NOT MAKE THE TOP FOUR RIGHT NOW IF CONFERENCE CHAMPSIONSHIP GAMES DON'T MATTER. Oklahoma and ND cannot lose. It sucks.

Not saying it justifies it but the BIG12 plays 9 conference games where the SEC plays 8 + CCG so in reality all teams play the same amount of conference games..

TideMom2Boys · Nov 29, 2015

I think only if Clemson and We lost....and Stanford lost. I think the committee would put in a 2 loss Pac 12 champion over Ohio State. They proved last year that a conference championship is a big deal.

MOAN · Nov 29, 2015

I see the ACC championship game as a toss up, could go either way. If Clemson loses though the ACC champion will be left out most likely. If Stanford beats USC big I think Clemson losing would open the door for Stanford getting in. I do not see a non conference champion getting in unless both Clemson and Bama lose, then it would be Stanford and Ohio State making it. Of course Stanford has to win the Pac 12. If Clemson, Bama, and Stanford all three lose, then it would get Ohio State and North Carolina, the ACC champ in. Just do not see a two lose Baylor getting in over a one loss ACC champion North Carolina.

Now that is a lot of what ifs LOL!!!

B1GTide · Nov 29, 2015

CrimsonForce said:
Not saying it justifies it but the BIG12 plays 9 conference games where the SEC plays 8 + CCG so in reality all teams play the same amount of conference games..

Great point!

B1GTide · Nov 29, 2015

TideMom2Boys said:
I think only if Clemson and We lost....and Stanford lost. I think the committee would put in a 2 loss Pac 12 champion over Ohio State. They proved last year that a conference championship is a big deal.

You might be right - hard to be sure which they would weigh more, the second loss or the conference championship. Still, if Alabama takes care of business it will not matter.

teamplayer · Nov 29, 2015

CrimsonForce said:
Not saying it justifies it but the BIG12 plays 9 conference games where the SEC plays 8 + CCG so in reality all teams play the same amount of conference games..

What you say is true, but playing Kansas in October is a lot different than playing another good team in a championship setting. Their league had several teams blow it during the championship game in the past.

CrimsonForce · Nov 29, 2015

teamplayer said:
What you say is true, but playing Kansas in October is a lot different than playing another good team in a championship setting. Their league had several teams blow it during the championship game in the past.

Again, each conference rotates the in conference games so next year Alabama may be playing Kentucky in October. What's the difference?

GrayTide · Nov 29, 2015

Committee results aside, IMO the four best teams by my "eyeball test": Alabama, Oklahoma, Michigan State and tOSU.

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