Just finished. My gut feeling is there is reasonable doubt. The physical evidence leaves too many questions. The timing of finding the key. The key only had his DNA, but not hers. The tampered vial.

What angered me the most was that defense attorney's investigator who manipulated the kid into signing the "I'm sorry" stuff and drawing incriminating pictures. I'm no lawyer, but that was atrocious representation.

I remember watching Paradise Lost, and thought after seeing it that I felt pretty convinced that the guilty party was one of the family members. Then watched Paradise Lost 2 and thought it was someone else, and again after the third one thinking it was yet another person.

I recommend watching them all if you're interested in true crime stories, although they are heartbreaking because in real life, we don't always get to the truth. Innocent people are sometimes punished for crimes they didn't do. (My stance on the death penalty wavered a lot after finishing the Paradise Lost series. I still support it philosophically, but think the burden of proof needs to rise above what we use currently.)

BamainBoston said:

After doing a good bit of outside research on the Paradise Lost case, I actually think they did it. Baldwin might have been innocent, but the other two.

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Do you think there is reasonable doubt, though?

JBama_in_PCOLA said:

Is this really good? I heard good things about it. I need to finish Jessica Jones first though.


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I tried to watch it yesterday. I lost interest in it and stopped. I may try to watch it again, but I didn't see what everyone was raving about yet.

TideMom2Boys said:

I tried to watch it yesterday. I lost interest in it and stopped. I may try to watch it again, but I didn't see what everyone was raving about yet.

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Hmmm, that's a shame.


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The first episode is a recap of the original crime and a set up of what's going to play out over the next 9 episodes. You kind of have ot push through the first one to get to the meat.

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I figured that, so I haven't written it off yet. I will see about watching it again later this week.

I haven't watched it, but there are some reports that the people behind the show left out evidence that may point towards Avery being guilty.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/evidence-s-missing-making-murderer-article-1.2485213

I think the guys who deleted her VMs were in on it


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New 'Making a Murderer' evidence might help justify new trial, definitely justifies Internet sleuths.

Jerry Buting, one of Making a Murderer subject Stephen Avery's original lawyers, recently told Rolling Stone that "internet sleuths" (obsessed fans) found evidence in a photo of victim Teresa Halbach that lawyers missed. Buting hopes new evidence like this could change the entire case, by opening the possibility of another trial.

This new key evidence is literally "key" evidence. The picture, shown frequently on the news and in the Netflix docu-series, apparently shows Halbach holding a key fob with several keys. This is in contradiction to the one lone key police allegedly found when searching Avery's bedroom on November 8, 2005 (three days after finding nothing on their initial search on November 5, interestingly).

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Finished it last night.

1. Still don't see how there was enough evidence to prove Steven's guilt.

2. Really, really don't see how there was enough evidence to prove Brendan guilty of all three charges other than that pathetic interview.

3. Steve Kratz's arrogance makes it even harder to handle watching Steven and Brendan be found guilty. Just want to punch the guy the way he acts.

4. Pretty clear the media members covering the case didn't believe either was guilty.

Sorry this is an US magazine link, but it was the first I could find that had a good rundown of the Dateline episode from Friday night.

Making a Murderer's 'Dateline' Special Reveals New Interviews, Claims About Steven Avery's Blood

Making a Murderer's Steven Avery and his nephew, Brendan Dassey, are still sitting in prison for the murder of photographer Teresa Halbach, but in the court of public opinion, their case is far from closed. On Friday, January 29, Dateline's "The State of Wisconsin vs. Steven A. Avery" focused on the lingering mysteries at the center of the hit docuseries that premiered on Netflix last December.

As fans of the buzzy series know, Avery spent 18 years in prison for a rape he didn't commit. He was finally exonerated by DNA evidence — only to return to prison shortly thereafter when he and Dassey were convicted of the murder of Halbach. Dassey, who was 16 at the time, is eligible for parole in 2048. Avery is serving a life sentence without the possibility of parole.


The special included footage from a rare, sit-down interview that took place in 2005 with Penny Beernsten, the victim of the sexual assault case that sent Avery to prison the first time. It also featured new interviews with Dassey's attorneys, Steven Drizin and Laura Nirider, as well as former prosecutor Ken Kratz.

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