2016 Election - Trump: How Did Trump Really Win the Presidency?

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DzynKingRTR

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I stand corrected on the terminology. Reminiscent of "sexual relations" isn't it? With apologies to Earle and bamabelle: Lawyering just proves itself over and over to be one of the slimiest occupations when they become politicians.
I agree. That is why lawyers will not be allowed on my island.
 

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I'm not sure what the establishment will do. Personally, Trump is my number 2, behind Rubio. I agree with Trump on foreign policy, almost 100 percent. And I don't think he really cares about most domestic policy, so the people in charge of the EPA, Justice, etc, would be party people. All in all, wouldn't be bad. Better than Hillary. And I believe that Rubio and Trump are the only Republicans who can win the general.

FWIW last night I heard him say to Wolf Blitzer in an interview he would choose someone political for a running mate but for his cabinet positions he would go with business people he knows who would run things the right way. I thought that sounded great - better than what we have had.
 

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The fact that Trump and Hillary are currently the top two says volumes of bad things about the state of American politics.

And yeah, I'll probably vote for Johnson again, too.
 

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As an aside - I just ordered some Trump stickers on eBay. I'll put one on my truck. Hopefully some militant liberal won't throw a rock through one of my windows!

I bought extra stickers to share with some of my buddies - who also want to see America great again. :)
 

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As an aside - I just ordered some Trump stickers on eBay. I'll put one on my truck. Hopefully some militant liberal won't throw a rock through one of my windows!

I bought extra stickers to share with some of my buddies - who also want to see America great again. :)
Including your TF buddies?
 

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As an aside - I just ordered some Trump stickers on eBay. I'll put one on my truck. Hopefully some militant liberal won't throw a rock through one of my windows!

I bought extra stickers to share with some of my buddies - who also want to see America great again. :)
Why would they, when Trump is a crypto-liberal... :D
 

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The following article is an interesting take on the cult of personality that Trump is for many. The observations of the ability to project power and the effect explains much of what we see in politics. It was what propelled Obama into the presidency and why so many who feel so helpless under his tyranny are latching onto Trump and his rhetoric.
Words without action are worthless. I like and appreciate what Trump has done to force discussions on things that were deemed to be taboo by politicians, but sparing with the media and issuing orders will not stop the destruction of The Republic. I hope the right candidate will be the one elected but fear America is lost to those who fall for personality rather than principle. The rule of law must be restored and that must start in Washington. Corruption must be rooted out and punished.

Power and its Side Effects

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/01/power_and_its_side_effects_.html
 

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Could he win? Yes, anything is possible. Probable? Not likely.


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I find it very unlikely simply due to the history of the Republican Party. Once it becomes a two-man race, Trump is not a conservative while seeking the nomination of the politically active most hard-right conservatives in the country (the hard edges dominate the nomination process in both parties - which is why I don't consider Bernie beating Hillary to be nearly as unlikely as a lot of folks).

Furthermore, if Trump does anything less than win in Iowa - a state of organization and one-on-one campaigning - I think he's done anyway. And here is where Cruz has a major advantage because unlike Trump, he's actually run in a state race before.


I think it's positive that Trump has caused a freakout in the GOP because it forces candidates to have to listen to the public at large. Trump is feeding into that strain of populism that has produced temporary surge candidates like George Wallace, Pat Robertson in the 1988 GOP contest, Ross Perot, and Pat Buchanan. There's a segment of society that will rebel against 'politics as usual' all while ignoring the lack of substantive proposals from the populist demagogue. It's right when they propose something specific or make a public decision that they implode. (Although I was not alive, the implosion of the Wallace campaign in 1968 is traced in the polls to the moment he picked Curtis "Bombs Away" LeMay as his running mate and destroyed much of his internal support and freaked out people with LeMay talking Barry Goldwater-like about nuclear annihilation).

Plus - watching left-wing media who actually believes themselves to be objective freak out has been kind of fun. But it also proves what I've long known - all my life I've watched how some Democrats (not all) feel the snobbish need to advise the Republicans on who their nominee 'should be' (you don't hear this from the GOP - their folks will actually come out and say things like 'we hope to run against Jesse Jackson/Howard Dean,' but they don't say 'the Democrats should nominate candidate X' as happens in reverse). And they ALWAYS basically say the GOP needs to nominate someone of 'more inclusive' views - by which they mean (mostly) someone who supports abortion/abortion rights (pick whichever word you like) and is basically a social liberal.

Now the GOP front-runner is literally someone these same Democrats ought to be saying, "Wow, look at the Republicans nominating such a social liberal like Trump" - and they're playing the same old 'they're a bunch of bigots' card that's been out there at least since Barry Goldwater (who was no racist of any kind). Building a wall is a ridiculous idea that has no chance of ever happening but the mere fact you support building a wall does not equate to being a racist, either. I'll guarantee you Trump's business life in regards to whom he has hired - he has directly provided more jobs to blacks, women, and Hispanics than both Clintons combined. (To say nothing of having executed fewer lobotomized black men than Bill Clinton did when he was governor).

I don't see Trump winning, but I agree with jthomas here - Trump has more of a chance than he would under NORMAL circumstances because the front-runner for the Democrats quite frankly is perhaps the most polarizing figure in the American electorate and is also not that good of a candidate (she's run one seriously contested race and she lost).

But I don't see it happening. (I reiterate - I do not have a candidate in the field. I don't like any of them although the one thing I WILL give Bernie Sanders, who is about as opposite my views as one can get - he's an honest socialist about actually being one).

I figure the election will be between Hillary and the winner of the Cruz-Rubio sweepstakes. But Bernie is going to win some early, too.
 

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Trump absolutely destroyed Cruz on his NY value comments.

Rubio comes off as just another politician, whom we are all sick of hearing the same ol same ol....

Kasick won't shut up about his personal history - I can't see him as our president...yeesh.

Rubio - see remarks on Rubio above

Christie actually showed a lot of fire and did a much better job of answering questions by the moderators than many of the others. I give him a high score.

The doctor seemed a little nervous & still a bit slow on giving his responses but if you listen to his answers he does actually speak with some practicality, which I like.

Trump did very well last night - the only exception being the comments about Cruz's Canadian citizenship "issue". I think he spent too much time on it. Otherwise he did very well last night and was strong on many of the topics.

I didn't watch the JV debate so can't comment except to say they were not missed.
 

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Trump absolutely destroyed Cruz on his NY value comments.
Agree, but Cruz could have countered. His line was a play on Trump's earlier quip that "not many evengelicals come out of Cuba."

He could have brought this up, then proceeded to explain that his comment was an observation on an electorate that sent Hillary Clinton to the Senate, has a mayor in NYC who's anti-police, and a governor who recently stated that if you are a conservative, you aren't welcome in New York.

Cruz missed an opportunity to explain himself and should not have painted all New Yorkers with a broad brush. My guess is he's written off New York to the Democrats any way, so what the hell?
 

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Agree, but Cruz could have countered. His line was a play on Trump's earlier quip that "not many evengelicals come out of Cuba."

He could have brought this up, then proceeded to explain that his comment was an observation on an electorate that sent Hillary Clinton to the Senate, has a mayor in NYC who's anti-police, and a governor who recently stated that if you are a conservative, you aren't welcome in New York.

Cruz missed an opportunity to explain himself and should not have painted all New Yorkers with a broad brush. My guess is he's written off New York to the Democrats any way, so what the hell?

Good point and well said, VJ.

I think he was overwhelmed by Trump's sturdy personality in the moment.

I also think 9-11 was such a horrific event - it was too much for Cruz to think clearly at that moment.
 
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