Re: Nick Saban vs Bear Bryant: Who Is The Best Alabama Coach?
Don't know but it be one he11 of a football game!
Don't know but it be one he11 of a football game!
Most of us on here have witnessed the 2 greatest college coaches ever. Enough said. Who will remember who coached IU basketball after Coach Bob Knight? Who came after Lombardi? Everyone knows Coach Bryant and Coach Saban. RTR
You ran smack dab into a tree while never finding the forest.I do and he played at Alabama and is the coach at Texas Southern University: Mike Davis. Or did I miss it?
1) Being compared to Elvis is totally unfair to the other party(s).Aren't we in "Elvis" vs "The Beatles" territory?
CNS went to LSU and we are still feeling their prescense now because of it. Lsu pre Saban was more of a once in a decade team and the other 9 years were mixed between mediocry and horrible teams. I think if we are going on the pre-Alabama route you have to throw out CPB's Maryland and aTm teams along with CNS's MSU and Toledo schools, and compare Kentucky and LSU because they were the best outside of Alabama that both possess. I will say the edge to CPB only because Kentucky is still worse than the LSU job, and to win a SEC title and win the orange bowl there is one of the biggest feats ever. But I think what goes against your argument about CPB vs CNS is that CPB had a hard time beating the elite coaches of his time where CNS is atleast tied with them. CPB never beat Ara, had a bad record against Royal, and has an edge on Osborne. CNS is tied in matchups with both stoops and Meyer, and has big advantage on Les. The only elite coach of his time that he never faced was Pete Carroll unless you wanna throw Chip Kelly in there. I think CNS could've gone second state schools like UCLA and aTm and realistically produced 2-3 in 9 years at those places because the competition of non sec conferences outside the big 10 is laughable with few exceptions here and there.A thought - I sincerely believe that Coach Bryant would have achieved as much anywhere - literally anywhere. Saban needed the Alabama brand to reach this level. He would have won at LSU, but not like this.
You make some good points, Shaq came out today and said that "that could have been us". I disagree because of some of your points. Probation aside, Bama is a machine like no other, and it's easier for any coach to win here than LSU. Not to take anything away from Coach Saban, more to balance that our program plays a vital role, that I doubt he could have ever won 4 NC's in a 7 year stretch at LSU. He is the greatest coach at the greatest school to succeed. And you have to throw away our probation days and look at the big picture.CNS went to LSU and we are still feeling their prescense now because of it. Lsu pre Saban was more of a once in a decade team and the other 9 years were mixed between mediocry and horrible teams. I think if we are going on the pre-Alabama route you have to throw out CPB's Maryland and aTm teams along with CNS's MSU and Toledo schools, and compare Kentucky and LSU because they were the best outside of Alabama that both possess. I will say the edge to CPB only because Kentucky is still worse than the LSU job, and to win a SEC title and win the orange bowl there is one of the biggest feats ever. But I think what goes against your argument about CPB vs CNS is that CPB had a hard time beating the elite coaches of his time where CNS is atleast tied with them. CPB never beat Ara, had a bad record against Royal, and has an edge on Osborne. CNS is tied in matchups with both stoops and Meyer, and has big advantage on Les. The only elite coach of his time that he never faced was Pete Carroll unless you wanna throw Chip Kelly in there. I think CNS could've gone second state schools like UCLA and aTm and realistically produced 2-3 in 9 years at those places because the competition of non sec conferences outside the big 10 is laughable with few exceptions here and there.
I think the Alabama brand has something to do with it but the question remains" why did it take nearly 30 years to return, and why from 82-2007 did auburn have 2 undefeated season vs our 1." Also Alabama was a brand before CPB came. Alabama and Tennessee were the premier brands of the south. Alabama fell off, but was still a sleeping giant waiting for someone to wake it.
But then again it's a hard question that probably should be shelved until the Saban era ends, and all the emotions positive and negative wear down.
Seriously - our two best coaches have won a combined 10 National Championships at Alabama (11 total) - which is 2 (and 3) more than the next highest school (Notre Dame)...Can we just stop a second and realize how incredible it is to even ask this question?
Well it's like what Cowboys fans go through old school Landry vs new school jimmi. I don't see any issue of comparing them when CNS is done for one particular reason, and it's because what CPB did was said to never be replicated and no coach will ever be as great as the bear by so many older bama fans.Not to be obtuse, but I've never understood the incessant need to compare the two, especially when it comes to our own fan base.
Why can't we just appreciate what we had, and what we have, without a comparison that is based on opinion in the first place?