Bernie Sanders

bamacon · Jan 27, 2016

Bazza said:
I watched his segment in last night's Town Hall Meeting and really enjoyed it.

I thought the format was MUCH better than any of the "debates" we have seen.

I also really like a LOT of what Bernie had to say.

Call it "socialism" if you want but he's right about a lot of stuff.

Our health care insurance companies are raking us over the coals and it's only going to get worse. We need a single payer system and a simpler federal tax structure.

I'm not saying I'll vote for him but IMHO he'd be better than the Dem. alternative.

GO Bernie Go!

Find a socialist model that is successful and you will have found the first. And when the drones drag in Sweden compare the populace first. There is NO way in hell our working class can support the dead weight in this country. Unless you want to start exterminating the unproductive you better not even think about flirting with this guy. The corporatist will never let Bernie near the White House because he actually means what he says about Wall St. No way the Dems threaten that gravy train.

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selmaborntidefan · Jan 27, 2016

Dad and I were talking last night (he was over and ready to head to Tampa for the next ten days with Mom), and I brought up the whole age thing. He turned 70 in November, and Mom is 69. BOTH of them agreed that someone their age is TOO OLD to be President. Dad then observed that Sanders "doesn't campaign like an old man" but has a ton of energy. Of course, then we both acknowledged something - in the case of Sanders, he isn't trying to parse every single word that comes out of his mouth to pander to the riff-raff. For better or worse, Sanders (and even Trump though to a lesser extent) IS what he is.

He also observed (in agreement with me) that if Sanders and Trump force the parties to actually listen to the voters, they will have performed a service for the country.

I'm no socialist, but I'm more likely to vote for Sanders than for anyone running right now from what I've seen. At least Sanders - I know what I'm purchasing at the store (and Congress under Republican control isn't going to pass anything radical that he wants anyway). I'm NOT advocating or even saying "yeah I'll vote for him," but I consider character more important than issue positions anyway.

mittman · Jan 27, 2016

BamaInMo1 said:
To those of you wanting to rake insurance companies over the coals, I work in the industry and if you could see what I do every day and what people claim on injuries you'd have a much better perspective as to why insurance companies charge what they do.
Not only the above but if you could see what hospitals/doctors do to pad the bills.......

I understand your position, and I don't see myself as "blaming" insurance companies so much as being frustrated with the system they have been complicit in creating. There are multiple layers of abstraction between the cost of services and the person using that service. So really the frustration you see is the same as mine. ACA IMO just exacerbated the problems because it tried to fix it with the very things that caused it. IMO What Sanders would do exacerbates it an order of magnitude further.

bamacon · Jan 27, 2016

selmaborntidefan said:
Dad and I were talking last night (he was over and ready to head to Tampa for the next ten days with Mom), and I brought up the whole age thing. He turned 70 in November, and Mom is 69. BOTH of them agreed that someone their age is TOO OLD to be President. Dad then observed that Sanders "doesn't campaign like an old man" but has a ton of energy. Of course, then we both acknowledged something - in the case of Sanders, he isn't trying to parse every single word that comes out of his mouth to pander to the riff-raff. For better or worse, Sanders (and even Trump though to a lesser extent) IS what he is.

He also observed (in agreement with me) that if Sanders and Trump force the parties to actually listen to the voters, they will have performed a service for the country.

I'm no socialist, but I'm more likely to vote for Sanders than for anyone running right now from what I've seen. At least Sanders - I know what I'm purchasing at the store (and Congress under Republican control isn't going to pass anything radical that he wants anyway). I'm NOT advocating or even saying "yeah I'll vote for him," but I consider character more important than issue positions anyway.

If Sanders wins you won't have a Republican congress. Even if you did what makes you thinks the Repubs would oppose him? You have no evidence that they would. You have 8 years showing how impotent they were against a president who is the opposite of everything they "say" they stand for and what'd they do? Nothing!

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bamacon · Jan 27, 2016

mittman said:
I understand your position, and I don't see myself as "blaming" insurance companies so much as being frustrated with the system they have been complicit in creating. There are multiple layers of abstraction between the cost of services and the person using that service. So really the frustration you see is the same as mine. ACA IMO just exacerbated the problems because it tried to fix it with the very things that caused it. IMO What Sanders would do exacerbates it an order of magnitude further.

I'm one of those that has been crushed by Obamacare and his other policies. It may be an intellectual exercise for some but it's been pretty personal for me.

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Bodhisattva · Jan 27, 2016

Bazza said:

To put this in perspective, an economic study I read a few years back determined that to fund the federal government's constitutional activities, the flat, single tax rate for everyone would be ...... 6%.

To fund the federal government's constitional activities + all the entilement programs (pre-Obamacare), the the flat, single tax rate for everyone would be ...... 12%.

Al A Bama · Jan 28, 2016

Bazza said:
I watched his segment in last night's Town Hall Meeting and really enjoyed it.

I thought the format was MUCH better than any of the "debates" we have seen.

I also really like a LOT of what Bernie had to say.

Call it "socialism" if you want but he's right about a lot of stuff.

Our health care insurance companies are raking us over the coals and it's only going to get worse. We need a single payer system and a simpler federal tax structure.

I'm not saying I'll vote for him but IMHO he'd be better than the Dem. alternative.

GO Bernie Go!

There's no way he'd ever get my vote. I thought this was a good article.

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/bernie-sanders-the-bum-who-wants-your-money/

BamaFlum · Jan 28, 2016

Bazza said:

So what's the incentive for someone to try to get a raise when you are sitting at 250,000? That's what I don't like about progressive taxes. It could really bite you when you go from one bracket to the next.

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Tide1986 · Jan 31, 2016

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-hillary-clinton-kass-0131-20160131-column.html

If Hillary Clinton fails to fulfill her destiny and retake the White House, she'll have to go on that lonely political walk of shame.

And then historians may point their bony fingers at young Taylor Gipple.

For it was Mr. Gipple, Iowa millennial and passionate supporter of Sen. Bernie Sanders, who gave us the single most important nationally televised moment of Clinton's presidential campaign so far.

Think of it as Hillary's Queen Cersei moment.

"It feels like there's a lot of young people out there, like myself, who are very passionate supporters of Bernie Sanders. And I just don't see the same enthusiasm among younger people for you," Gipple said in a nervous voice at an Iowa town hall on CNN.

"In fact," Gipple said, "I've heard quite a few people my age that think you're dishonest, but I'd like to hear from you, why you feel the enthusiasm isn't there."

She paused, then blinked and her face began to move toward him on the end of her neck.

There was that Queen Cersei smile. Not with her eyes but with teeth, before she fixed on him with her squint.

uafanataum · Jan 31, 2016

If Sanders was to win but there was a republican congress does he do the whole pen and phone routine. I believe that Clinton has shown enough disrespect for the law to do this on a daily basis but do not know enough about Sanders to judge. Also if he did just executive order everything would he be worse than our current president, or would it just be minor legislation?

selmaborntidefan · Feb 1, 2016

Unless Sanders wins tonight, it's over anyway.

92tide · Feb 1, 2016

BamaFlum said:
So what's the incentive for someone to try to get a raise when you are sitting at 250,000? That's what I don't like about progressive taxes. It could really bite you when you go from one bracket to the next.

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the incentive would be making more money.

bamacon · Feb 1, 2016

Now Trump is finally
Getting consistent with his core beliefs..."universal healthcare for all".

Very conservative

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selmaborntidefan · Feb 1, 2016

92tide said:
the incentive would be making more money.

Wouldn't that make that person greedy?

In a related question - what is the incentive for so many LIBERAL DEMOCRATS - who favor taxing the rich - to not pay those taxes they insist must be raised?

I EXPECT Republicans to bend the rules if not break them since they oppose higher taxes on the wealthy.

But when John Kerry spends an entire race shooting off at the mouth about how he and John Edwards "we think we should pay more in taxes" (if you REALLY think that, why aren't you?) and then parks his yacht in another port in another state to save a piddly half million dollars (when he and his wife are both billionaires) it's pretty hard to take such claims seriously.

Nothing wrong with more money but ever notice those proposing to TAKE it from you always manage to exclude themselves?

92tide · Feb 1, 2016

selmaborntidefan said:
Wouldn't that make that person greedy?

no.

Bodhisattva · Feb 1, 2016

BamaFlum said:
So what's the incentive for someone to try to get a raise when you are sitting at 250,000? That's what I don't like about progressive taxes. It could really bite you when you go from one bracket to the next.

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92tide said:
the incentive would be making more money.

Progressive taxation is a disincentive to working harder/longer to make that next dollar. It's one of the many government policies/programs that gets things backwards.

cbi1972 · Feb 1, 2016

Bodhisattva said:
Progressive taxation is a disincentive to working harder/longer to make that next dollar. It's one of the many government policies/programs that gets things backwards.

For the truly rich, it's more about investment and risk than it is about hard work. Income as most people understand it doesn't even register compared to capital gains, which are taxed twice.

Everyone I have heard is opposed to corporate bailouts, so why do they keep happening?

crimsonaudio · Feb 1, 2016

'Feel the bern', lol.

I'm sure most every politician has their blind followers who literally know nothing other than what their candidate of choice has fed them, but the ignorance in this video reminds me of some of the videos I saw in 2008...

TheAccountant · Feb 1, 2016

92tide said:
the incentive would be making more money.

If I make $250k a year taxed federally at 33% I 'take home' $167,500.
If I get a 10% raise that brings me up to $275k but at 37% so I'm only bring home $172,250. So with a $25k increase in salary that my hard work gave me I'm only bringing home an additional $5k. If my tax bracket didn't go up 4% I'd be getting $16k extra a year.

I realize there are state/city taxes at play too but that's not an incentive for me to take on added responsibility.

cbi1972 · Feb 1, 2016

TheAccountant said:
If I make $250k a year taxed federally at 33% I 'take home' $167,500.
If I get a 10% raise that brings me up to $275k but at 37% so I'm only bring home $172,250. So with a $25k increase in salary that my hard work gave me I'm only bringing home an additional $5k. If my tax bracket didn't go up 4% I'd be getting $16k extra a year.

I realize there are state/city taxes at play too but that's not an incentive for me to take on added responsibility.

Are you an actual accountant?
The 37% only applies to the portion of income that is over the bracket threshold. Your income under the tax thresholds are taxed at the lower rates.
At 250k, your marginal tax rate is 33% but your effective tax rate is only about 24.7%

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