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Ah no. The military has people in different tax brackets in accordance to location, rank, and assignment. Also not everything is equal due to job, rank, and assignment. The military is more of an oligarchy ruled my an autocrat inside of a democracy. Salary and benefits don't necessarily mean its socialist because if so then practically everyone who is a full time worker is a socialists.
I believe he was talking about how we the citizens pool our resources via taxes to support a military and the other things he listed. Doing so is socialistic. He doesn't necessarily mean the institutions themselves.
 

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Find a socialist model that is successful and you will have found the first. And when the drones drag in Sweden compare the populace first. There is NO way in hell our working class can support the dead weight in this country. Unless you want to start exterminating the unproductive you better not even think about flirting with this guy. The corporatist will never let Bernie near the White House because he actually means what he says about Wall St. No way the Dems threaten that gravy train.


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I believe he was talking about how we the citizens pool our resources via taxes to support a military and the other things he listed. Doing so is socialistic. He doesn't necessarily mean the institutions themselves.
If he is then he is cherry picking The quoted post and trying to say socialists values= socialistic model. Bamacon seems to be talking about socialistic state in which everything is equal, but sky is talking about socialistic values supporting a capitalist necessity. Two entirely different things. We pretty much all have socialistic values in some sense or another but we don't directly fund a socialistic state. I will agree that he is right in the sense you state in which you state, but I don't think that was the post he quoted was referring to.
 

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If he is then he is cherry picking The quoted post and trying to say socialists values= socialistic model. Bamacon seems to be talking about socialistic state in which everything is equal, but sky is talking about socialistic values supporting a capitalist necessity. Two entirely different things. We pretty much all have socialistic values in some sense or another but we don't directly fund a socialistic state. I will agree that he is right in the sense you state in which you state, but I don't think that was the post he quoted was referring to.
I'm not saying that at all. I simply demonstrated certain organizations that are, inherently, socialist. They would not exist if certain, socialist-like policies did not come to be. The same could be applied to the New Deal - a lot of people bemoan it, but it's unlikely they're complaining about the fact that they get to drive on the Interstate System.
 

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I'm not saying that at all. I simply demonstrated certain organizations that are, inherently, socialist. They would not exist if certain, socialist-like policies did not come to be. The same could be applied to the New Deal - a lot of people bemoan it, but it's unlikely they're complaining about the fact that they get to drive on the Interstate System.
The problem is you quoted someone who is arguing that a socialists state in America would not work even though that wasn't the original discussion of the op. We have socialistic type policies but not a socialists state.
 

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Are you surprised?

Love him or hate him, he is most assuredly against the money-movers in Washington. Clinton is part of the machine - Bernie is more the guy to take a dump on it.
No, not really, but a sure fire way for the dems to lose this election is to hand someone the nomination that causes a sizable group of voters to stay home or vote third party out of protest. Seems like they're playing with fire.
 

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No, not really, but a sure fire way for the dems to lose this election is to hand someone the nomination that causes a sizable group of voters to stay home or vote third party out of protest. Seems like they're playing with fire.
i don't necessarily think that would cause that big of a problem. iirc, in 2008 obama won about 66% of the super delegate votes and this is what eventually led to clinton conceding the race even thought the pledged delegate count was very close (something like 51%-49% obama). turnout wasn't really a problem in that election even though i remember some rumbling about super delegates from the puma crowd that summer.

he might keep it close, but i don't see sanders winning a lot of primaries as the race continues and if that ends up being the case, the number of super delegates isn't going to matter.
 

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Why have the people that voted democrat not revolted against this superdelegate system? I do not vote democrat and it makes me mad.
 

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i cant remember, was that the one where he looked at the camera and said "im losing to this guy?!?"
Yes. Dana Carvey was playing the elder Bush. He was being questioned about some questionable campaign funds and said in his whiny Bush voice "I thought that money was going toward the bombing of abortion clinics." Lovitz was also standing at a podium with a hydraulic lift to make him look taller. :)
 

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What happens when the democrats force Biden or Bloomberg in against him. I still think Hilliary wins but against Biden or Bloomberg Bernie is kaput. And you know the democrats aren't going to let him win.
Hillary will Never be nominated. It was true 7 years ago and it is true today. She's horrible in every way. She's a lowlife. She's a disgusting, dishonest disgrace of a human being and people know it. She's also an incompetent and disastrous politician who cannot connect with real people because they are beneath her. Watching her flailing away daily in vain search of a coherent thought is a beautiful thing to behold when I think about her lying to the families while standing over flag draped coffins. She is about the last person that deserves to represent my country ever again in Any capacity much less president.


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