Bernie Sanders

GrayTide · Feb 12, 2016

The CBC gave their endorsement to Clinton yesterday; while this is big for her it is not unexpected. I still fail to see the supposed threat Sanders is to Clinton. As some have said it appears to be a storyline fabricated by the media to fool the American electorate into believing there is an actual race for the Dems nomination. I agree with everything Bamacon said above about Clinton, but we do disagree on her viability as a candidate and her ability to be elected POTUS.

Sanders won NH, which IMO proves he can win his neighboring state, a state that means nothing in the big election picture. I believe Sanders will be steamrolled in other state primaries especially in those states with a large percentage of minority voters. His appeal is much like that of Eugene McCarthy and George McGovern, one who failed to get the Dems nomination and the other who was landslided by Nixon. The DNC will insure that Clinton wins the nomination.

Tide1986 · Feb 12, 2016

GrayTide said:
The CBC gave their endorsement to Clinton yesterday; while this is big for her it is not unexpected. I still fail to see the supposed threat Sanders is to Clinton. As some have said it appears to be a storyline fabricated by the media to fool the American electorate into believing there is an actual race for the Dems nomination. I agree with everything Bamacon said above about Clinton, but we do disagree on her viability as a candidate and her ability to be elected POTUS.

Sanders won NH, which IMO proves he can win his neighboring state, a state that means nothing in the big election picture. I believe Sanders will be steamrolled in other state primaries especially in those states with a large percentage of minority voters. His appeal is much like that of Eugene McCarthy and George McGovern, one who failed to get the Dems nomination and the other who was landslided by Nixon. The DNC will insure that Clinton wins the nomination.

Regarding minority voters, I wonder if there is a higher level of anti-Semiticism among them.

Bazza · Feb 12, 2016

Sanders’ Call to Rein In Wall Street, Artfully Clear

Posted on Feb 10, 2016 By Donna Smith / Common Dreams

At the heart of the matter is Bernie calling out the way Wall Street money has corrupted our democracy and perhaps most especially our election process. So when I went looking for ways to illustrate how that might have come into play on issues of deep concern to me, I found something that was instructive.

Bernie’s direct statements about the demands Wall Street makes on elected officials are not part of any “artful smear” campaign, as has been suggested.

Jon · Feb 12, 2016

GrayTide said:
The CBC gave their endorsement to Clinton yesterday; while this is big for her it is not unexpected. I still fail to see the supposed threat Sanders is to Clinton. As some have said it appears to be a storyline fabricated by the media to fool the American electorate into believing there is an actual race for the Dems nomination. I agree with everything Bamacon said above about Clinton, but we do disagree on her viability as a candidate and her ability to be elected POTUS.

Sanders won NH, which IMO proves he can win his neighboring state, a state that means nothing in the big election picture. I believe Sanders will be steamrolled in other state primaries especially in those states with a large percentage of minority voters. His appeal is much like that of Eugene McCarthy and George McGovern, one who failed to get the Dems nomination and the other who was landslided by Nixon. The DNC will insure that Clinton wins the nomination.

I think what you are seeing here isn't much different than what is happening on the Right with Trump. The party wants Hillary, the people absolutely do not, at least at the core. You can see it in Iowa too, the Dem party had to pull out every dirty trick in the book for Hillary to squeak by with something that they could call a victory. There is no way that this is fabricated, he is making her look too bad. If this was planned it was an incredibly stupid plan. It is hurting her, badly and clearly exposing her for what she is (and as a side effect his big grassroot supporters are seeing how tied the party is to elements of the media in a way that the right has been calling out, and they've denied, for decades. It's kind of amusing to watch) another bought and paid for political clown.

Jon · Feb 12, 2016

and to add to my last post it appears the DNC is taking the nuclear option on Bernie. I honestly think this will fail

http://usuncut.com/news/the-dnc-opens-the-gates-to-unlimited-wall-street-funding/

The Democratic National Committee, headed by the massively unpopular Debbie Wasserman Schultz, has just lifted the last restrictions preventing the DNC from receiving direct contributions from Wall Street and special interest lobbyists.

Under the new rules, political action committees (PACs) and other corporate lobbyists and special interests are now free to donate unlimited sums to the DNC itself. The previous restrictions were put in place by President Barack Obama after his own election, which he marked by saying, “We are going to change how Washington works.”

He continued by affirming that corporate PACs “will not fund my party. They will not run our White House. And they will not drown out the voice of the American people when I’m president of the United States of America.”

81usaf92 · Feb 12, 2016

GrayTide said:
The CBC gave their endorsement to Clinton yesterday; while this is big for her it is not unexpected. I still fail to see the supposed threat Sanders is to Clinton. As some have said it appears to be a storyline fabricated by the media to fool the American electorate into believing there is an actual race for the Dems nomination. I agree with everything Bamacon said above about Clinton, but we do disagree on her viability as a candidate and her ability to be elected POTUS.

Sanders won NH, which IMO proves he can win his neighboring state, a state that means nothing in the big election picture. I believe Sanders will be steamrolled in other state primaries especially in those states with a large percentage of minority voters. His appeal is much like that of Eugene McCarthy and George McGovern, one who failed to get the Dems nomination and the other who was landslided by Nixon. The DNC will insure that Clinton wins the nomination.

Sanders isn't so much a threat to Hillary as he is to the rest of the Democrats. I think even if you let it run its course, I still think Hillary wins in the end, but the problem is Bernie is so close right now that Bloomberg is thinking about jumping in. Bloomberg could single handily wreck the Democrat's chances at the WH as BiB alluded to. It really makes Democrats to consider alternative options. Do they call Bloomberg on his bluff or do they call someone like Biden or a key member in Congress to run instead of Hillary or Bernie. The Democrats don't worry about Hillary losing a general election, they worry about Bernie making it appear that he has a considerable enough chance to influence Bloomberg to run.

crimsonaudio · Feb 12, 2016

Jon said:
and to add to my last post it appears the DNC is taking the nuclear option on Bernie. I honestly think this will fail

I honestly didn't think anyone in the republican clown car could beat the democrat nominee, but I'm starting to think that Bernie might ruin it for the party. He has zero chance of winning, but will expose the powers that be for what they are and many D voters will be ticked...

Tide1986 · Feb 12, 2016

crimsonaudio said:
I honestly didn't think anyone in the republican clown car could beat the democrat nominee, but I'm starting to think that Bernie might ruin it for the party. He has zero chance of winning, but will expose the powers that be for what they are and many D voters will be ticked...

Reminiscent of the beating Bush took in the 1992 primaries.

Jon · Feb 12, 2016

crimsonaudio said:
I honestly didn't think anyone in the republican clown car could beat the democrat nominee, but I'm starting to think that Bernie might ruin it for the party. He has zero chance of winning, but will expose the powers that be for what they are and many D voters will be ticked...

at this point inside the two main parties the only likable and seemingly decent human being is Bernie. Not saying I like his policies or positions, just that he doesn't seem evil and power mad like most of them

81usaf92 · Feb 12, 2016

Jon said:
at this point inside the two main parties the only likable and seemingly decent human being is Bernie. Not saying I like his policies or positions, just that he doesn't seem evil and power mad like most of them

it really depends on your tax bracket and your definition of power mad. I think the concept of socialism and communism sound like great things; even Lenin and Marx believed they were unequal and superior to the people they preached their ideology to.

crimsonaudio · Feb 12, 2016

Jon said:
at this point inside the two main parties the only likable and seemingly decent human being is Bernie. Not saying I like his policies or positions, just that he doesn't seem evil and power mad like most of them

Agreed, but I think his chances of winning are zero, and his chances of killing Hillary's chances are quite high.

bamachile · Feb 12, 2016

crimsonaudio said:
Agreed, but I think his chances of winning are zero, and his chances of killing Hillary's chances are quite high.

I would like to smile at this. If the GOP had a candidate with a spine, a brain, and a chance, I would.

GrayTide · Feb 12, 2016

bamachile said:
I would like to smile at this. If the GOP had a candidate with a spine, a brain, and a chance, I would.

Absolutely. Bernie has won his one primary. It seems that many think he can de-rail Hillary; sorry I just do not see it. As for the Repiblicans, good luck with that bunch of clowns. Sorry, in a bad mood.

bamacon · Feb 12, 2016

I just watched the Democratic presidential debate rerun. Damn America sucks. And white people are all racist and evil. This is why a Trump has been created by the electorate. These psychopaths actually believe this garbage. Frankly I'm one of those that have had enough of this pathetic labeling based on superficial things they say shouldn't be important. Either of these two will be a annihilated in Nov. just wait and see.

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crimsonaudio · Feb 12, 2016

GrayTide said:
Absolutely. Bernie has won his one primary. It seems that many think he can de-rail Hillary; sorry I just do not see it.

I totally see a bunch of Bernie-bros who are petulant babies who will stay home instead of voting since their chosen candidate isn't on the bill...

As for the Repiblicans, good luck with that bunch of clowns. Sorry, in a bad mood.

At this point, I don't see a single candidate that appeals to rational people, on either side.

4Q Basket Case · Feb 12, 2016

I honestly despair for the country regarding the next president.

On the Dem side, it's a crook who would say or do anything, including sell out the country, to line her pockets, or a stoned-out guy who, while sincere, reminds me for all the world of the scientist in Back to the Future. In his younger days, I have no doubt that he was the basis for the character Reverend Jim in Taxi.

The GOP counters with a buffoon in a history's worst comb-over (Trump), a modern-day Oliver Cromwell (Cruz), and a well-intentioned but naive rookie (Rubio).

[curse words not allowed on TF], is this the best we can do? Where is Condi Rice when you need her?

81usaf92 · Feb 12, 2016

bamacon said:
Either of these two will be a annihilated in Nov. just wait and see.

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The problem is we heard that the last time. I will say Bernie loses to practically every candidate in the GOP but Hilliary is still probably the winner against everyone of them. the republicans are ridiculously divided amongst themselves over Cruz and trump. People like Glenn beck and Anne coulter are hurting things by severely bashing the alternates to those two. Personally I still think Rubio would be the best bet regardless of the circumstance to reach the White House because I think republicans would be more unified. Aside from him I think calling someone like Ryan in a brokered convention would be the only sure way that the party is unified behind a candidate.

bamacon · Feb 12, 2016

81usaf92 said:
The problem is we heard that the last time. I will say Bernie loses to practically every candidate in the GOP but Hilliary is still probably the winner against everyone of them. the republicans are ridiculously divided amongst themselves over Cruz and trump. People like Glenn beck and Anne coulter are hurting things by severely bashing the alternates to those two. Personally I still think Rubio would be the best bet regardless of the circumstance to reach the White House because I think republicans would be more unified. Aside from him I think calling someone like Ryan in a brokered convention would be the only sure way that the party is unified behind a candidate.

If the GOP did that (and given how freaking STUPID the leadership is anything is possible), went against the popular vote, it would permanently end the party. Of that there is no doubt.

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bamacon · Feb 12, 2016

4Q Basket Case said:
I honestly despair for the country regarding the next president.

[curse words not allowed on TF], is this the best we can do? Where is Condi Rice when you need her?

Thankfully she is no where near politics. I think a lot of her views would surprise folks, especially conservatives.

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81usaf92 · Feb 12, 2016

bamacon said:
If the GOP did that (and given how freaking STUPID the leadership is anything is possible), went against the popular vote, it would permanently end the party. Of that there is no doubt.

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You know they would consider it if trump or Cruz didn't get a majority of delegates but managed plurality. The problem is how the RNC and other factions have gone totally brain dead over the trump dilemma. But they are also hurting people like Rubio as well. Trump was doomed that when more people dropped out that he was going lose, but that's not for certain anymore because of the hit on Rubio and reemergence of bush and kasich. Republicans need to stop playing the game of "who is hated more" between trump and Cruz, and start playing the one " who can unite the party in support".

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