Bernie Sanders

crimsonaudio said:

Agreed, but I think his chances of winning are zero, and his chances of killing Hillary's chances are quite high.

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I think y'all are wrong on Bernie. He won't take the South but he is crushing the Millennial vote all 93 Million of them if he can get them to the polls he could take this thing. Especially against someone as creepy and evil looking as Ted Cruz

81usaf92 said:

The problem is we heard that the last time. I will say Bernie loses to practically every candidate in the GOP but Hilliary is still probably the winner against everyone of them. the republicans are ridiculously divided amongst themselves over Cruz and trump. People like Glenn beck and Anne coulter are hurting things by severely bashing the alternates to those two. Personally I still think Rubio would be the best bet regardless of the circumstance to reach the White House because I think republicans would be more unified. Aside from him I think calling someone like Ryan in a brokered convention would be the only sure way that the party is unified behind a candidate.

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Well, as of right now, polls show Trump losing to Clinton by about 5 points and losing to Sanders by about 10 to 11 points and those polls are about identical in several of the major predictor polls. I really hope neither of those two are president but a full fledged socialist America leaves chills down my spine and not the good kind. I personally do not think Trump can win a general election. He certainly draws a crowd, but unfortunately it's not always for the right reasons. Rubio consistantly beats both in most polls though.

Jon said:

I think y'all are wrong on Bernie. He won't take the South but he is crushing the Millennial vote all 93 Million of them if he can get them to the polls he could take this thing. Especially against someone as creepy and evil looking as Ted Cruz

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I agree, I thought people would see through Obama but it didn't happen. I think Bernie is highly underestimated.

Jon said:

I think y'all are wrong on Bernie. He won't take the South but he is crushing the Millennial vote all 93 Million of them if he can get them to the polls he could take this thing. Especially against someone as creepy and evil looking as Ted Cruz

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Well the democrats ensure they choose their own winner by super delegates. Remember how bad Hilliary got paddled in New Hampshire. She still wound up with about the same number of delegates. Plus this whole thing turns if Bloomberg throws his name out or the dems determine Hilliary is unelectable and call someone to pinch hit. I think Bernie's chances are better than what I thought in November, but its still Hilliary's to lose. Bernie against the republicans is a nightmare for the democrats unless it's Cruz or bush. Trump is the one that is hard to gauge because he is more liberal than your average republican but nowhere near as left as Bernie. Rubio most likely wins by a landslide. And I kinda think kasich might win as well against Bernie, but that is more because Ohio would be republican instead of democrat. Bottom line college students don't elect presidents; old rich people do.

81usaf92 said:

Well the democrats ensure they choose their own winner by super delegates. Remember how bad Hilliary got paddled in New Hampshire. She still wound up with about the same number of delegates. Plus this whole thing turns if Bloomberg throws his name out or the dems determine Hilliary is unelectable and call someone to pinch hit. I think Bernie's chances are better than what I thought in November, but its still Hilliary's to lose. Bernie against the republicans is a nightmare for the democrats unless it's Cruz or bush. Trump is the one that is hard to gauge because he is more liberal than your average republican but nowhere near as left as Bernie. Rubio most likely wins by a landslide. And I kinda think kasich might win as well against Bernie, but that is more because Ohio would be republican instead of democrat. Bottom line college students don't elect presidents; old rich people do.

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I personally feel like Bernie's groundswell is crushing the Democratic party and they are stuck as I am of the opinion that Hillary backed down in 2008 with an explicit promise that if she was a good girl and took one for the team that they would sell out for her in 2016. Now here we are and it is happening again and I don't think they have the control they think they do. Pretty soon they are going to realize that keeping the Hillary promise means losing the young of their Party and they need the millennials, they know they won't go GOP but them staying at home is just as bad because the Old largely vote Republican. It is really interesting to watch. Wasserman-Shultz who runs the Dems is taking a beating and is even being challenged in her home district that she was expected to walk away with by an outsider democrat (though I suspect she'll still win)

Jon said:

I personally feel like Bernie's groundswell is crushing the Democratic party and they are stuck as I am of the opinion that Hillary backed down in 2008 with an explicit promise that if she was a good girl and took one for the team that they would sell out for her in 2016. Now here we are and it is happening again and I don't think they have the control they think they do. Pretty soon they are going to realize that keeping the Hillary promise means losing the young of their Party and they need the millennials, they know they won't go GOP but them staying at home is just as bad because the Old largely vote Republican. It is really interesting to watch. Wasserman-Shultz who runs the Dems is taking a beating and is even being challenged in her home district that she was expected to walk away with by an outsider democrat (though I suspect she'll still win)

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Let's say Bernie either pulls an upset or is ridiculously close in South Carolina... This is going to force the dems to either hold their nose and ride the Bernie train or force Obama to make Biden run. Biden is nowhere as near hated as Hilliary and is far better suited to take on the Republican nominee than Bernie. Biden would also destroy Bernie in a primary setting because he will most likely get every single super delegates and capture ny, Texas, Florida, and California basically destroying sanders. Democrats were hoping that happened months ago but the feeling was Hilliary was going to win going away and there was no need to cut a mans time for mourning short. I'm fairly certain the democrats are going to rig it where Bernie is done after March 15.

81usaf92 said:

Let's say Bernie either pulls an upset or is ridiculously close in South Carolina... This is going to force the dems to either hold their nose and ride the Bernie train or force Obama to make Biden run. Biden is nowhere as near hated as Hilliary and is far better suited to take on the Republican nominee than Bernie. Biden would also destroy Bernie in a primary setting because he will most likely get every single super delegates and capture ny, Texas, Florida, and California basically destroying sanders. Democrats were hoping that happened months ago but the feeling was Hilliary was going to win going away and there was no need to cut a mans time for mourning short. I'm fairly certain the democrats are going to rig it where Bernie is done after March 15.

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we'll see

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/...LV-Tracking-Poll-Sanders-Gains-13-With-**-Ams

Jon said:

we'll see

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/...LV-Tracking-Poll-Sanders-Gains-13-With-**-Ams

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But does that reflect super delegates, or electoral voters. The key number that any democrat should be concerned with is 31. That's the number of electoral votes up for grab in New York. While New York is generally a democrat state, they are more of a Hilliary type democrat state than a Bernie. Add two natives like trump and Bloomberg that are far closer to their style of democrats, and you have a weird situation that New York could go to the Republican Party. Bernie might be great amongst the people, but he might want to read the manifesto again because Marx says in a capitalist society there are haves and have nots, and guess which of the two elects the president.

This shows the primary reason of why not just anybody person elects the president
http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/11/d...ffled-by-pictures-of-joe-biden-ronald-reagan/

The DNC and the Hillary campaign are getting exposed and its is hysterical. I'm telling y'all the longer and harder they try to hold on and shove Hillary on their electorate the more it costs them. Bringing in Biden or Bloomberg might have made sense, even could now but they've under estimated the Bern too and I'm not sure they can recover

This story is working its way all over and there are more like it out there. There is also the impending release of a lot of emails that even if they don't cause indictment it will show more about who she is, which I am sure the DNC doesn't want

http://nypost.com/2016/02/10/hillary-blackmailed-media-to-get-positive-coverage-report/

Hillary Clinton’s high-powered press operation “blackmailed” reporters by promising perks in exchange for flattering coverage, according to a report Tuesday.

Using the Freedom of Information Act, Gawker obtained an exchange of .emails between Clinton spokesman Philippe Reines and Marc Ambinder, a writer for The Atlantic magazine, that demonstrated how the process worked.

Ambinder asked Reines on July 15, 2009, for an advance copy of a speech Clinton was to deliver at the Council on Foreign Relations.

Reines returned a three-word reply saying he’d supply the speech — with conditions.

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Jon said:

The DNC and the Hillary campaign are getting exposed and its is hysterical. I'm telling y'all the longer and harder they try to hold on and shove Hillary on their electorate the more it costs them. Bringing in Biden or Bloomberg might have made sense, even could now but they've under estimated the Bern too and I'm not sure they can recover

This story is working its way all over and there are more like it out there. There is also the impending release of a lot of emails that even if they don't cause indictment it will show more about who she is, which I am sure the DNC doesn't want

http://nypost.com/2016/02/10/hillary-blackmailed-media-to-get-positive-coverage-report/

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Maybe this will help

Who Are Super-Delegates? Super-delegates (approximately 850 in 2008) include the following:

• Elected members of the Democratic National Committee (~450)
• Democratic Governors
• Democratic US Senators and US Representatives (including non-voting delegates)
• Distinguished party leaders (current and former Presidents and Vice Presidents; former Democratic leaders of the Senate and House; former DNC chairmen)
• Unpledged "add-on's" chosen by the DNC

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Rationale For Super-Delegates The Democratic Party established this system in part in response to the nomination of George McGovern in 1972. McGovern took only one state and had only 37.5 percent of the popular vote. Then in 1976, Jimmy Carter was a dark-horse candidate with little national experience. Super-delegates were implemented in 1984.
Super-delegates are designed to act as a check on ideologically extreme or inexperienced candidates. It also gives power to people who have a vested interested in party policies: elected leaders. Because the primary and caucus voters do not have to be active members of the party (in New Hampshire they can sign up and sign out going-and-coming at the polls), the super-delegate system has been called a safety-value

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Importance of Super-Delegates
The Democratic Party allocates delegates based on a state's Presidential vote in the prior three elections and the number of electors. In addition, states that hold their primaries or caucuses later in the cycle receive bonus delegates.
It has been 30 years since the Democratic Party had a cliffhanger going into the Convention. If there is no clear winner after state primaries and caucuses, then the super-delegates -- who are bound only by their consciences -- will decide the nominee.

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as it stands right now with superdelegates. Hillary is winning 394-44. If you are conceeding the South to her and New York then that means by March 15th the election is over.

81usaf92 said:

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as it stands right now with superdelegates. Hillary is winning 394-44. If you are conceeding the South to her and New York then that means by March 15th the election is over.

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After reading everything in your post above, it seems the Democratic Party does not use democratic principles in their selection process. Sanders won in a landslide in N.H. and gets less delegates. I just do NOT understand. Someone please educate me.

crimsonaudio said:

It's funny - as obvious as it is that the repubs are in disarray, it appears the dems are no better at this point. It felt like over the last few years the D party had it more 'together' organizationally, but that doesn't appear to be true at all..

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Wasserman Schultz has done a terrible job as DNC chair. The DNC spent the last 8 years assuming that Hilary would be the nominee, and really didn't know what to do when Sanders turned into a viable contender.

Here's an interesting little analysis of the superdelegate situation for the Dems:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/superdelegates-might-not-save-hillary-clinton/

It’s hard to know the exact point at which such claims go from laughable to credible, but my guess is that it’s somewhere around the 5 percentage point gap that I mentioned earlier. So superdelegates do provide some advantage to Clinton: They’ll break a true tie in her favor, and perhaps anything that can reasonably be described as a tie in her favor also. It’s just not the massive advantage implied by the delegate count so far.

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Tide1986 said:

Here's an interesting little analysis of the superdelegate situation for the Dems:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/superdelegates-might-not-save-hillary-clinton/

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Yeah people like the Young turks, Bernie diehards, and Msnbc are trying to diminish the importance of the super delegates and overly state they can swap points, but fail to acknowledge where Hillary is strong at.New York, Texas, Ohio,and Florida are projected to be boatraces that Clinton wins, and California is projected to be a comfortable margin. Unless Bernie wins a few of those, then I doubt much movement of those delegates happen.

81usaf92 said:

Yeah people like the Young turks, Bernie diehards, and Msnbc are trying to diminish the importance of the super delegates and overly state they can swap points, but fail to acknowledge where Hillary is strong at.New York, Texas, Ohio,and Florida are projected to be boatraces that Clinton wins, and California is projected to be a comfortable margin. Unless Bernie wins a few of those, then I doubt much movement of those delegates happen.

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So, the media is trying to make it appear to be a two party race. By making believe that Sanders is a threat to Clinton they have created a story knowing he hasn't a snow ball's chance in hell of beating Clinton. Just like the sports media, creating a story where there isn't one.

GrayTide said:

So, the media is trying to make it appear to be a two party race. By making believe that Sanders is a threat to Clinton they have created a story knowing he hasn't a snow ball's chance in hell of beating Clinton. Just like the sports media, creating a story where there isn't one.

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I say Bernie has a better chance than Boise and Oregon, but if he can't win those states I mentioned then he is faced at best a close loss that is decided by super delegates

Wall St. and the Dems are in bed together bigtime. For all the lip service about Repubs protecting the rich it is really Washington that protects the rich. Neither side wants a candidate to expose it and to try and go after it. Bernie 100% means what he says and that is why they will never let him win. I'm utterly shocked they've let it go this far but something major will bring him down shortly. He may wake up with two dead hookers, or get caught with little boys on his computer, or he may be found in a park enjoying the stars permanently (I'm only half kidding). The Dems have the stones to take out Bernie and will. My guess is they just didn't think HRC would be so horrible but she's always been a failure so I'm not sure at their surprise.

On the other side is pure impotence and incompetence. Trump scares the hell out of the RNC solely because he is unpredictable. They always viewed him as a sideshow who would dropout when he got what he wanted or who would self-destruct. That aint gonna happen and now they are in total What The Crap mode. I honestly think they would be more ok to find out that he was a Dem- in Rep. clothing than see him carry out what he's actually been saying.

Point is they both have threatened Wall St. and their cozy relationship with D.C. and that is unacceptable to both. That, they have in common.

The other thing this has shown once and for all is just how dang stupid the avg. American voter really is!!!