Beginning of the end in Burns?
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This was a particularly egregious situation, where despite a very checkered legal history, they were given a slap on the wrist instead of the mandatory minimum sentence. A sweetheart deal for them all the way...
yes
but as soon as you say "this building is now mine and this gun here is how I keep it" you are no longer peacefully protesting
Silly argument - they literally took over a building.
I get that you're trying to somehow make this 'peaceful' but frankly, it makes you look rather crazy. I'm an avid shooter with my carry permit, but I'm not dumb enough to take over a government building whilst armed and pretend that I'm being peaceful.
If these men were muslims I suspect you'd be far less quick to defend their terroristic actions...
Let's be clear. They took over an unoccupied building. It's not like they came in guns blazing terrorizing park rangers or other government employees.
If these were Muslims, 1) they would have taken hostages and executed them and 2) blown up the building to make a point. So, you're comparing apples to oranges in that case.
These guys feel they have a legitimate beef with what they perceive to be an overreaching government. They also feel that the guys being sent back to jail for burning federal lands, to protect their own property because the BLM was not caring for the land, are being held to a double standard than the BLM crews who set unattended fires to BLM land that crossed over to private land and killed scores of cattle and burned down private residences as well.
Explain to me why they had guns if this was a peaceful takeover of public property, akin to a 'sit in' (which is an actual peaceful protest).
An assumption. The reality is that if muslims had done the same thing as these terrorists have you'd be calling for Hellfires and napalm.
Who cares what they think they have? There are avenues to deal with it, and if they don't like them, tough. We aren't allowed to grab rifles and take over other people's property (under the obvious threat of violence) just because we think things are unfair.
These dirtbags are terrorists and should be dealt with accordingly.
LOL, so in your mind, if one has any problem with the government an armed revolution is the way to handle it?
ETA: and yes, the founding fathers were treasonous terrorists, and had they lost their bid for freedom it's how we would view them today. But they had far more support from those around them as all were being oppressed. These clowns think they have a claim (which is debatable), but have virtually zero support from the rest of the population because virtually no one feels that we're living under tyranny.
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Also, still waiting for this explanation, thanks. I'm guessing you accidentally edited it out before in your reply.
You make an interesting point. They actually - from their statements - do believe that there are millions across the country willing and able to take up arms with them against the government. That's how far out of reality they are...
I don't understand where you're coming from. Are you in favor of a windfall of our public lands into their hands, do you think they're in the right in taking up arms against federal, state and local government, or are you just enjoying playing Devil's Advocate. It's not clear at all what your position is...
I think it is a side effect of our modern connected culture and the self imposed bubbles in which many of us now live.
these guys and guys on many other conspiratorial causes for lack of a better way of describing them find each other online and then only really communicate with each other. They squash any dissent among their ranks and their community then gets large enough that someone outside or in realizes that they can monetize the cause (like Alex Jones, etc) by playing into it. The bubble grows, the feedback loop gets stronger and they don't really ever see the other side so before long they start to feel as if they are at a tipping point where one act will clear the blinders off the general public and seem them as the revolutionary heros that they clearly feel themselves to be. I watched it unfold among the 9/11 truthers a decade or so ago and it was hysterical in its own way. What concerns me is when one goes too far as is bound to happen sooner or later
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lOL! Understand. Actually, I probably blew any chance at government employment forever coming out of law school. I applied for a position with the DOJ, tax division. It was just for giggles, since I'd decided to go to NYU. In the app, there was a question reading "Do you believe in the violent overthrow of lawfully constituted authority?" (exact wording, after all these years) I responded with one word - "Whose?"I'm taking over 92's professional agitator role.
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