Believe in this model, or not?
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/4/10/5594348/college-football-bag-man-interview
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/4/10/5594348/college-football-bag-man-interview
Link: Bagman Central - Interesting Article on how it goes down
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Well, it was too long to be made up ~ oh, I forgot Gone With the Wind. Really, we know these things go on and on this one I wonder how much is true and how much embellishment? One thing did jump out at me and that was the money being handed out on campus visits even though they know they are not going to sign the guy. Hmmm. No wonder so many of them go ahead and make all those visits event though they are committed already.
Now the real question: How do you stop this? It can't be done unless you violate everyone's rights. So we will do what we have been doing and live with it.
Now the real question: How do you stop this? It can't be done unless you violate everyone's rights. So we will do what we have been doing and live with it.
I imagine that's what the push to pay players is for. A little like de-criminalizing and legalizing drugs. Can't control the cartels but if you make it legal you take away some of their power. Making sure these kids get money legally takes some of the sway away from these bag-men.....although really I think it ends up just keeping things the same...the players just win more in the end.
But that's simply naive - you pay a player $40k and you think he's going to then turn down more money? Who turns down money?
The reality is this issue has always been in big money sports and will always be there - there's literally no way to stop it. It appeals to base human nature.
To be honest, I don't see anything wrong with it. We are a capitalist society. The NCAA is a socialist organization. I see capitalists working under the covers within a socialist regime to help themselves. Happens all over the world, every place that socialism exists.
The problem is the system that forces this into dark corners and allows athletes without means to be manipulated. The only people who suffer in this system are the people that it is meant to protect - the athletes.
Only a free market will fix this, and that is not going to happen.
The problem is the system that forces this into dark corners and allows athletes without means to be manipulated. The only people who suffer in this system are the people that it is meant to protect - the athletes.
Only a free market will fix this, and that is not going to happen.
I posted this article last summer when it was first published. Most on here seemed to think it was fake.
I'm willing to believe it, though.
I'm willing to believe it, though.
The problem comes when someone like one of our immediate neighbors to the west breaks the bank for a leading player. Or a Cam comes along...
We could always just open all High School seniors to a one big college draft. Each "Power 5" colleges gets 25 picks.....each year. Those kids the will be cut to get to the 85 roster. Then those cut as Freshmen, can be signed by any another school. If they are "cut" after their freshman year, they then can only be signed by a Group of 6 conference, or lower division team.
That would probably wipe out all of this "black market" stuff.....
That would probably wipe out all of this "black market" stuff.....
That's why I said the part above. Unlike drugs, money is not a product. It IS the root.
That sounds worse for the players than the system that we have today. Can you imagine growing up in the South, a fan of Alabama, being the best player in the country, but you get drafted by Minnesota because they had the first pick?
My biggest problem with the article is that the whole time the supposed expert's main focus is that the number one thing is keeping your mouth shut and not talking about it. So if that is the case, why in the world is he being interviewed?
It all sounds plausible, and as someone above stated, there is a lot of this that can be argued as against the rules, but not morally wrong. I am a hiring manager for a technical company. If I was able to identify a high school kid that I wanted and was willing pay to get him to a college I wanted him to go to, no one would care, in fact I'd be congratulated. The only part I have heart burn with is putting pressure on a kid or family to go somewhere he doesn't want. I'm not sure I believe that anyway, because that would be where you get caught. Much easier to pay a kid to do what he wants to do.
The example I'll use is an old Eddie Murphy movie, The Distinguished Gentleman, where they were explaining campaign donations. You didn't have to change for the money, you just picked the money that matched what you liked. Anti gun, there was money there; pro gun, go to the NRA. Same situation here. Since the money isn't coming out of the school it should be no body's business. I really have a hard time trying to understand why the NCAA should care if some guy that has the money wants to give it to someone else to play a sport.
It all sounds plausible, and as someone above stated, there is a lot of this that can be argued as against the rules, but not morally wrong. I am a hiring manager for a technical company. If I was able to identify a high school kid that I wanted and was willing pay to get him to a college I wanted him to go to, no one would care, in fact I'd be congratulated. The only part I have heart burn with is putting pressure on a kid or family to go somewhere he doesn't want. I'm not sure I believe that anyway, because that would be where you get caught. Much easier to pay a kid to do what he wants to do.
The example I'll use is an old Eddie Murphy movie, The Distinguished Gentleman, where they were explaining campaign donations. You didn't have to change for the money, you just picked the money that matched what you liked. Anti gun, there was money there; pro gun, go to the NRA. Same situation here. Since the money isn't coming out of the school it should be no body's business. I really have a hard time trying to understand why the NCAA should care if some guy that has the money wants to give it to someone else to play a sport.
And if I had had the size, ability, potential, speed, etc., I would have CRAWLED to Tuscaloosa and begged Coach Bryant to please give me a tryout. I would not have expected or wanted any financial remuneration! That may have been naive, but maybe I could have proved myself against such people as Darwin Holt, et al and Coach Bryant would have put me on the team. I'm aware of one guy who didn't have the intestinal fortitude to make it even with great size and athletic ability. I think I would have had the intestinal fortitude to make it but not the size, ability, speed, or potential.
If I had had any money, I would have paid Coach to let me tryout!
This has been my stance for year and years but NCAA wants to pretend college football players are amateurs, just as Miss America wants to pretend she lives next door. Sure, the girl next door spends six hours a day in front of the mirror, one whole day at the hair stylist and wears designer clothes everywhere she goes. Yes, I have lived by a bunch of those girls. Haven't you?
If the local Foodland wants to give daddy a job and a free rent in one of his houses so he can move his family to Boaz and his son play QB, why not? Let Ace Hardware out bid them to keep them. I am good with it.
Article's from almost two years ago. It got a lot of play when it came out then.
Whether all the details apply to all schools or not, the gist certainly has the ring of truth. Loved the story about not falling for a recorded call.
Whether all the details apply to all schools or not, the gist certainly has the ring of truth. Loved the story about not falling for a recorded call.
I remember when it came out. I just find it so ironic this comes back up just before the NCAA notifies Ole Mi$$ of allegations. Perhaps someone was in the know?
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