NCAA to formally charge Ole Miss with rules violations (Freeze has resigned)
- Thread starter RTR91
- Start date
- Status
Re: Yahoo Sources: NCAA to formally charge Mississippi with rules violations
Usually that would have to happen before the letter arrives, if this is damage control, it means serious stuff is coming...
Re: Yahoo Sources: NCAA to formally charge Mississippi with rules violations
I tend to agree. If he was just "leaving on his own to pursue another career" as they are trying to spin it there is no way they would allow him to do it now. Just offer him a retention bonus to stay as anyone with a brain, that isn't a Reb-bear can see this for what it is otherwise. The fact that this is happening along with the former Ole Ms coach at Texas leaving too this close to huge signing days for both shows that not only does the NCAA have some red meat but it goes back a few years. Ole Miss fans are begging people to believe their admin but we all know their admin lied to make to keep this signing class so why should we believe them now? We'll see but my take is that there is far more coming
Re: Yahoo Sources: NCAA to formally charge Mississippi with rules violations
And any other visits that might interest them.
Lets play where did this start? It was all about women's basketball and track. OK----we'll walk thru that.
Women's basketball---Adrian Wiggins from Fresno State is hired in May 2012. He brings with him as assistants Micheal and Kenya Landers from Trinity Valley Community College in Athens, TX about an hour SE of Dallas. They won the JC National Championship in April in their second year with the National player of the year in Sha'Kayla Caples. Caples is evidently a fine upstanding citizen who could not get into LSU or Ole Miss in 2010.
http://www.live5news.com/story/11910146/four-vicksburg-teens-face-multiple-counts-of-armed-robbery
Oh, Caples is from Mississippi and finished high school in the class of 2010. In 2010 Vann Chancellor (who was at Ole Miss for twenty years) is at LSU and Kenya Landers is one of his assistants. Michael is across town at Baton Rouge Community College winning a National coach of the year award. They both leave Baton Rouge for Trinity Valley and Caples goes with them.
Speculation----maybe the reason Caples couldn't get into Ole Miss or LSU in 2010 might be a test score? Late 2009 and early 2010 is when David Saunders is desperately trying to get hired by Houston Nutt and is "working with kids helping them get eligible for college".
The other big recruit Ole Miss women brought in for the 2012 class was Brandy Broome from Pensacola JC----originally from? Natchitoches, LA---and was also declared academically ineligible.
Time line----New coach in May 2012 - Wiggins. Brings in new assistants in late May 2012. They bring in two new recruits in June. School starts in August. They are declared academically ineligible in September. Coaches are all fired in October, two weeks before the season starts. NCAA is called in to mitigate damage.
Look what we found. Didn't we do good? Now the NCAA is on campus. Additional speculation is that the two recruits were already known by the NCAA and that is why Ole Miss had to act--quickly and harshly.
NCAA still on campus through football/recruiting season all of 2012.
February 2013, Ole Miss track and Ole Miss football sign the "best" classes in many years---some believe of all time in both sports---at least recent limited scholarship times. Ole Miss boasts about signing over 40 track athletes.
http://www.olemisssports.com/sports/c-track/spec-rel/031513aaa.html
Three track coaches are fired in May 2013.
Bo Scarbrough official visit to Ole Miss in October, 2013.
Meanwhile Saunders has gone to work for ULL in early 2011. NCAA finds connection (maybe already had connection?), investigates ULL. Saunders refuses to cooperate beyond interviews in December 2013 and February 2014. 6 athletes found on ULL football roster with false ACT scores from Wayne County. Saunders takes a job at a Mississippi Junior college. Investigation closed, ULL and Saunders penalized. ULL files lawsuit against ACT. Saunders hires Jerrell Powe as his defensive line coach.
Note that Ole Miss supposedly self reported in September 2012 and NCAA is already investigating ULL by the following May/June. I'll guarantee you Ole Miss didn't connect those dots for the NCAA. They knew what Saunders was and most of what he had done. That is the reason Pete Boone would not allow Nutt to hire him as a part of his first staff in 2008 and eventually hired him for $12.00 and hour----Boone thought he would turn it down but he didn't.
We have a situation where the NCAA believed in 2005 that Jerrell Powe could not have passed the ACT and they have had an ear to the ground since.
Ole Miss gave up but Forward Rebels in Jackson would not---hire Powe a lawyer, sue Ole Miss and they have to let him in school. Forward Rebels eventually wins, gets Nutt fired, gets Boone fired, gets Chancellor Jones fired----hires Hugh Freeze.
Academic fraud and test score manipulation has been proven in the case of ULL. It can also be assumed in the case of Ole Miss women's basketball.
If it can be proved in the Ole Miss football program with the athletes who have been discussed, you will have an ongoing pattern of Academic fraud at Ole Miss for more than ten years across three sports, across three different coaching staffs, and four different recruiting coordinators, two of which have been fired in the last week, in football alone. Guess who the other two recruiting coordinators were? David Saunders and Hugh Freeze.
What will the NCAA do? I don't know and neither does Ole Miss. But the one thing I don't believe Ole Miss wants is for the NCAA to keep digging. And the only way to stop the digging is to come clean. Obviously the NCAA doesn't think they have come clean yet.
It means that he can now tell the NCAA to pound sand when they ask to talk to him about an on campus visit by Bo Scarbrough in October of 2013.
And any other visits that might interest them.
Lets play where did this start? It was all about women's basketball and track. OK----we'll walk thru that.
Women's basketball---Adrian Wiggins from Fresno State is hired in May 2012. He brings with him as assistants Micheal and Kenya Landers from Trinity Valley Community College in Athens, TX about an hour SE of Dallas. They won the JC National Championship in April in their second year with the National player of the year in Sha'Kayla Caples. Caples is evidently a fine upstanding citizen who could not get into LSU or Ole Miss in 2010.
http://www.live5news.com/story/11910146/four-vicksburg-teens-face-multiple-counts-of-armed-robbery
Oh, Caples is from Mississippi and finished high school in the class of 2010. In 2010 Vann Chancellor (who was at Ole Miss for twenty years) is at LSU and Kenya Landers is one of his assistants. Michael is across town at Baton Rouge Community College winning a National coach of the year award. They both leave Baton Rouge for Trinity Valley and Caples goes with them.
Speculation----maybe the reason Caples couldn't get into Ole Miss or LSU in 2010 might be a test score? Late 2009 and early 2010 is when David Saunders is desperately trying to get hired by Houston Nutt and is "working with kids helping them get eligible for college".
The other big recruit Ole Miss women brought in for the 2012 class was Brandy Broome from Pensacola JC----originally from? Natchitoches, LA---and was also declared academically ineligible.
Time line----New coach in May 2012 - Wiggins. Brings in new assistants in late May 2012. They bring in two new recruits in June. School starts in August. They are declared academically ineligible in September. Coaches are all fired in October, two weeks before the season starts. NCAA is called in to mitigate damage.
Look what we found. Didn't we do good? Now the NCAA is on campus. Additional speculation is that the two recruits were already known by the NCAA and that is why Ole Miss had to act--quickly and harshly.
NCAA still on campus through football/recruiting season all of 2012.
February 2013, Ole Miss track and Ole Miss football sign the "best" classes in many years---some believe of all time in both sports---at least recent limited scholarship times. Ole Miss boasts about signing over 40 track athletes.
http://www.olemisssports.com/sports/c-track/spec-rel/031513aaa.html
Three track coaches are fired in May 2013.
Bo Scarbrough official visit to Ole Miss in October, 2013.
Meanwhile Saunders has gone to work for ULL in early 2011. NCAA finds connection (maybe already had connection?), investigates ULL. Saunders refuses to cooperate beyond interviews in December 2013 and February 2014. 6 athletes found on ULL football roster with false ACT scores from Wayne County. Saunders takes a job at a Mississippi Junior college. Investigation closed, ULL and Saunders penalized. ULL files lawsuit against ACT. Saunders hires Jerrell Powe as his defensive line coach.
Note that Ole Miss supposedly self reported in September 2012 and NCAA is already investigating ULL by the following May/June. I'll guarantee you Ole Miss didn't connect those dots for the NCAA. They knew what Saunders was and most of what he had done. That is the reason Pete Boone would not allow Nutt to hire him as a part of his first staff in 2008 and eventually hired him for $12.00 and hour----Boone thought he would turn it down but he didn't.
We have a situation where the NCAA believed in 2005 that Jerrell Powe could not have passed the ACT and they have had an ear to the ground since.
Ole Miss gave up but Forward Rebels in Jackson would not---hire Powe a lawyer, sue Ole Miss and they have to let him in school. Forward Rebels eventually wins, gets Nutt fired, gets Boone fired, gets Chancellor Jones fired----hires Hugh Freeze.
Academic fraud and test score manipulation has been proven in the case of ULL. It can also be assumed in the case of Ole Miss women's basketball.
If it can be proved in the Ole Miss football program with the athletes who have been discussed, you will have an ongoing pattern of Academic fraud at Ole Miss for more than ten years across three sports, across three different coaching staffs, and four different recruiting coordinators, two of which have been fired in the last week, in football alone. Guess who the other two recruiting coordinators were? David Saunders and Hugh Freeze.
What will the NCAA do? I don't know and neither does Ole Miss. But the one thing I don't believe Ole Miss wants is for the NCAA to keep digging. And the only way to stop the digging is to come clean. Obviously the NCAA doesn't think they have come clean yet.
Re: Yahoo Sources: NCAA to formally charge Mississippi with rules violations
Most of my OM friends be like:
Most of my OM friends be like:
Re: Yahoo Sources: NCAA to formally charge Mississippi with rules violations
One funny man.
Yahoo Sources: NCAA to formally charge Mississippi with rules violations
You know Bo's suspension was for a recruiting issue which Saban was eager to point out was not ours. Related the this perhaps?
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
You know Bo's suspension was for a recruiting issue which Saban was eager to point out was not ours. Related the this perhaps?
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Re: Yahoo Sources: NCAA to formally charge Mississippi with rules violations
No perhaps about it...
Re: Yahoo Sources: NCAA to formally charge Mississippi with rules violations
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Yes, Ole Miss related. I believe Bo's suspension was self imposed though.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Re: Yahoo Sources: NCAA to formally charge Mississippi with rules violations
Ole Miss tried to do Bo the same way Trooper tried to do Cyrus K. except with stuff rather than "stuff". We self reported but the NCAA approved the penalty. The NCAA knows all about that. I wonder if that is one of the things Ole Miss hasn't come clean about yet?
Ole Miss tried to do Bo the same way Trooper tried to do Cyrus K. except with stuff rather than "stuff". We self reported but the NCAA approved the penalty. The NCAA knows all about that. I wonder if that is one of the things Ole Miss hasn't come clean about yet?
Re: Yahoo Sources: NCAA to formally charge Mississippi with rules violations
New shots fired last week-------
http://www.oxfordeagle.com/2016/02/...ke-over-as-pearl-rivers-offensive-line-coach/
Saunders has now hired two former Ole Miss players for his staff at Pearl River. One, Powe as the DL coach; that was a clear case of Wayne County ACT. The other, Terrence Metcalf, signed with Ole Miss before Saunders ever set foot in Mississippi.
The fraud obviously goes back to Cutcliffe's tenure when Cutt brought Saunders to Oxford in 1999. That is why they are so determined to hang it on Hootie. If it goes back farther than Cutt it gets back into a time frame where repeat offender status is a possibility. Ole Miss was placed on probation in 1986 and again in 1994. The 1994 episode cost them 24 scholarships over two years, two year bowl ban, a one year TV ban and a 30% reduction in on campus official visits. Date of the probation penalties looks to be sometime around the end of August 1994 meaning anything found further back than August 2008 likely triggers repeat offender sanctions.
http://blog.al.com/bn/2008/03/seven_of_the_secs_most_famous.html
Metcalf signed in February 2008.
New shots fired last week-------
http://www.oxfordeagle.com/2016/02/...ke-over-as-pearl-rivers-offensive-line-coach/
Saunders has now hired two former Ole Miss players for his staff at Pearl River. One, Powe as the DL coach; that was a clear case of Wayne County ACT. The other, Terrence Metcalf, signed with Ole Miss before Saunders ever set foot in Mississippi.
The fraud obviously goes back to Cutcliffe's tenure when Cutt brought Saunders to Oxford in 1999. That is why they are so determined to hang it on Hootie. If it goes back farther than Cutt it gets back into a time frame where repeat offender status is a possibility. Ole Miss was placed on probation in 1986 and again in 1994. The 1994 episode cost them 24 scholarships over two years, two year bowl ban, a one year TV ban and a 30% reduction in on campus official visits. Date of the probation penalties looks to be sometime around the end of August 1994 meaning anything found further back than August 2008 likely triggers repeat offender sanctions.
http://blog.al.com/bn/2008/03/seven_of_the_secs_most_famous.html
Metcalf signed in February 2008.
Re: Yahoo Sources: NCAA to formally charge Mississippi with rules violations
Not sure which allegations this stems from..
Not sure which allegations this stems from..
Re: Yahoo Sources: NCAA to formally charge Mississippi with rules violations
Statement from Ole Miss
Statement from Ole Miss
Re: Yahoo Sources: NCAA to formally charge Mississippi with rules violations
And here we go---------------
Speculation is that the delay request was asked for by Chris Vaughn, former recruiting coordinator for Houston Nutt. Vaughn was fired by Texas in early February when the story first broke.
The situation is this: Ole Miss is attempting to hang the whole thing on Saunders and Vaughn acting alone. Saunders has already been given an eight year show cause. Vaughn is trying to avoid that----therefore, the delay request. Saunders has already stopped playing nice with the NCAA, declining requests for additional interviews.
Keep in mind the ULL lawsuit against ACT and be prepared to be patient. There is when Saunders and others from Wayne County, Mississippi will be compelled to testify. When ACT attempts to hang the whole thing on Saunders and Ginny Crager, their response will be that the pipeline had been open for years before Saunders even got to Ole Miss and they just took advantage of something ACT had allowed to go on in support of Ole Miss for years-----all the way back into Ole Miss's last probation period under Tommy Tubberville. Can you say "multiple offender" and Lack of institutional control?
That is the reason the women's basketball and track allegations are very important, if the link is established for ACT fraud over 3 different sports and multiple football coaching staffs you will have a "willful disregard" and "intent" which leads us into North Carolina territory----an institutionalized cheating system that strikes at the very core of the education process and institutionally publicized well enough to have been used by multiple sports and multiple coaching staffs within the same sport over a 20 year span.
The issue that faces Ole Miss and Chris Vaughn for the short term----how do they work together to pin this all on Saunders. Vaughn is attempting to avoid a show cause and Ole Miss is attempting to keep it under Nutt's reign. If it goes backward beyond Nutt to Orgeron that will endanger Hugh Freeze who was Orgeron's recruiting coordinator. So Ole Miss wants to pin it on Saunders but only during his tenure as a support person and not as an on the field coach. To do that they need Vaughn's help, so count on the #Network paying big to get Vaughn to admit to a few things that will get him a show cause to keep Ole Miss clean. The Ole Miss stance will be that Saunders brought the scheme to Vaughn, and Vaughn fell for it. Vaughn's stance will be whatever will get him paid the most.
Regardless, it is NOT going away soon. The ULL vs. ACT trial will provide many new fireworks to watch.
And here we go---------------
Speculation is that the delay request was asked for by Chris Vaughn, former recruiting coordinator for Houston Nutt. Vaughn was fired by Texas in early February when the story first broke.
The situation is this: Ole Miss is attempting to hang the whole thing on Saunders and Vaughn acting alone. Saunders has already been given an eight year show cause. Vaughn is trying to avoid that----therefore, the delay request. Saunders has already stopped playing nice with the NCAA, declining requests for additional interviews.
Keep in mind the ULL lawsuit against ACT and be prepared to be patient. There is when Saunders and others from Wayne County, Mississippi will be compelled to testify. When ACT attempts to hang the whole thing on Saunders and Ginny Crager, their response will be that the pipeline had been open for years before Saunders even got to Ole Miss and they just took advantage of something ACT had allowed to go on in support of Ole Miss for years-----all the way back into Ole Miss's last probation period under Tommy Tubberville. Can you say "multiple offender" and Lack of institutional control?
That is the reason the women's basketball and track allegations are very important, if the link is established for ACT fraud over 3 different sports and multiple football coaching staffs you will have a "willful disregard" and "intent" which leads us into North Carolina territory----an institutionalized cheating system that strikes at the very core of the education process and institutionally publicized well enough to have been used by multiple sports and multiple coaching staffs within the same sport over a 20 year span.
The issue that faces Ole Miss and Chris Vaughn for the short term----how do they work together to pin this all on Saunders. Vaughn is attempting to avoid a show cause and Ole Miss is attempting to keep it under Nutt's reign. If it goes backward beyond Nutt to Orgeron that will endanger Hugh Freeze who was Orgeron's recruiting coordinator. So Ole Miss wants to pin it on Saunders but only during his tenure as a support person and not as an on the field coach. To do that they need Vaughn's help, so count on the #Network paying big to get Vaughn to admit to a few things that will get him a show cause to keep Ole Miss clean. The Ole Miss stance will be that Saunders brought the scheme to Vaughn, and Vaughn fell for it. Vaughn's stance will be whatever will get him paid the most.
Regardless, it is NOT going away soon. The ULL vs. ACT trial will provide many new fireworks to watch.
Re: Yahoo Sources: NCAA to formally charge Mississippi with rules violations
Really good information but I am curious as to how you know this information and who is the source.
Really good information but I am curious as to how you know this information and who is the source.
Re: Yahoo Sources: NCAA to formally charge Mississippi with rules violations
When you are old you just pick up on stuff.
Once you figure out who set up the action in Wayne County and who took it over in 1989 the rest just kinda falls into place. Our friends in Lee County better hope they don't dig too deep.
When you are old you just pick up on stuff.
Once you figure out who set up the action in Wayne County and who took it over in 1989 the rest just kinda falls into place. Our friends in Lee County better hope they don't dig too deep.
Re: Yahoo Sources: NCAA to formally charge Mississippi with rules violations
http://www.tigerfan.com/threads/jerrell-powe-commits-to-lsu-stolen-from-auburn.22244/
http://www.tigerfan.com/threads/jerrell-powe-commits-to-lsu-stolen-from-auburn.22244/
Re: Yahoo Sources: NCAA to formally charge Mississippi with rules violations
Ole Miss recruiters be like...
Ole Miss recruiters be like...
- Status
Latest threads
-
US Army replacing 5.56mm rifle with a 6.8mm for infantry- Started by Tidewater
- Replies: 2
-
-
Game One of Alabama-Texas A&M Alabama Series Moved to Friday as Part of Doubleheader- Started by Diamond Tide
- Replies: 0
-
Bama Game Thread: Bama Gymnastics - NCAA Championship Semi-finals (ESPN2 | 4/18 @ 8pm CT)- Started by BamaNation
- Replies: 32
-
No. 1 Visits Tuscaloosa for Second Straight Week as Alabama Hosts Top-Ranked Texas A&M
- Started by Diamond Tide
- Replies: 0
-