New Football Rules Approved

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Is it football or isn't it?
'Tackling' a ball carrier by tripping him is the least football move I can think of. Except maybe tying his shoelaces together.

Seriously, bigger chance of leg injury vs. a 'tackle' that I don't recall the last time I actually saw happen. No-brainer to me.
 

IndyBison

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Tripping was already illegal against anyone but the runner. The question was why did they allow that exception and there was no answer. So the choices are to allow anyone to be tripped or no one to be tripped. It's not common but there is a danger to it.

The mechanics change I expect will be for the umpire or head linesman to move to a spot 3 yards from the line of scrimmage to better rule on that more specifically. Until now it was a soft three so a long as the lineman is not well beyond three it wasn't something to be too technical with. Now we'll have to be more technical.
 

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I'm not sure what some of you want. If the hit is legal, it should be as ferocious as possible. MTAQ. This isn't ballet.
I like less rules and I disagree with your overwhelming approval of a rebuttal "what I want". Your point is that every block or hit should be 100%, no matter the situation, my point is that I believe Dial new this was a player in a compromised situation, he knew who he was and the threat level, and intended more than to disrupt Murray from getting the tackle, look at it. It's about consciousness, and if we had more, we would have less rules......Cheap Shot lol. Glad is was them.

 
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I like less rules and I disagree with your overwhelming approval of a rebuttal "what I want". Your point is that every block or hit should be 100%, no matter the situation, my point is that I believe Dial new this was a player in a compromised situation, he knew who he was and the threat level, and intended more than to disrupt Murray from getting the tackle, look at it. It's about consciousness, and if we had more, we would have less rules......Cheap Shot lol. Glad is was them.

Still was a legal hit.


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I like less rules and I disagree with your overwhelming approval of a rebuttal "what I want". Your point is that every block or hit should be 100%, no matter the situation, my point is that I believe Dial new this was a player in a compromised situation, he knew who he was and the threat level, and intended more than to disrupt Murray from getting the tackle, look at it. It's about consciousness, and if we had more, we would have less rules......Cheap Shot lol. Glad is was them.
Absolutely - he was attempting to 'affect the QB' with a legal hit. You might have heard that phrase before...

So you think Dial'***** was a cheap shot?
 

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Absolutely - he was attempting to 'affect the QB' with a legal hit. You might have heard that phrase before...

So you think Dial'***** was a cheap shot?
Go light on me friend, but yes I do. I think if players were a little more conscious of situations, we would need less rules. Now remember this is an opinion from someone that believes going back to leather helmets is how to prevent head injuries. Take away false protection, and you don't hit with your head, but that is a different topic.

Edit to not cheap shot but opportunity to inflict punishment on opposing QB in compromised situation. 1. It's was somewhat legel 2. Dial knew who he was, his threat to the play, that he was not paying attention, and made a conscious decision to inflict the hardest hit, including to head, that he could Dial up.

Maybe you cannot stop that, but if you could, there would be less rules. And I played 4 years HS, there is some awareness and I do not believe that you have to hit 100% all the time or you will never hit 100%. Same as putting a black jersey on a QB in camp. Was over the top and illegal in the NFL.
 
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I like less rules and I disagree with your overwhelming approval of a rebuttal "what I want". Your point is that every block or hit should be 100%, no matter the situation, my point is that I believe Dial new this was a player in a compromised situation, he knew who he was and the threat level, and intended more than to disrupt Murray from getting the tackle, look at it. It's about consciousness, and if we had more, we would have less rules......Cheap Shot lol. Glad is was them.
The QB was following the play, agreed from afar. Had it come in his direction, he was in a position to throw a block. If he wants to not get hit, he can:
1) Pay attention to the other people in his area rather than the ball carrier. (head on a swivel)
2) Leave the field until the whistle is blown or at least stay in the backfield and walk away from the action.

Did Dial give him a harder shot than necessary? Possibly so but he eliminated a potential blocker and gave the QB something to think about for the rest of the game rather than making good plays against us. He got up and played on.
 

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Absolutely - he was attempting to 'affect the QB' with a legal hit. You might have heard that phrase before...

So you think Dial'***** was a cheap shot?
It was not necessary, did him no good, did Murray no good, nor did it do our QB any favors. If I was an opposing DL, I would get revenge. Similar to a pitcher throwing inside for effect. Maybe Cheap Shot, and plays like that are what lead to more rules. The speed and size of players has widened, the QB is looked at as more of a specialist these days, unless you want Cam Newton to be the new norm. I am in favor of protecting them without hurting the game. But yes, I see this as more of a cheap shot, than a non cheap shot. I am fully aware that it is legal in college, that is not my point.
 

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I do know this. Since this is a Bama player, I am automatically going to lose favor with public opinion. Just wonder what the consensus would be if it took our QB out for the season, hypothetically. Would most say it was a cheap shot, I know the answer to that. I have stated an opinion and have nothing else to say :) All in good spirit and debate. Ready to read all dissent and take it like Murray!
 

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I do know this. Since this is a Bama player, I am automatically going to lose favor with public opinion. Just wonder what the consensus would be if it took our QB out for the season, hypothetically. Would most say it was a cheap shot, I know the answer to that. I have stated an opinion and have nothing else to say :) All in good spirit and debate. Ready to read all dissent and take it like Murray!
Have you just ignored the posts acknowledging Cooper Bateman taking a similar hit against Ole Miss?


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Have you just ignored the posts acknowledging Cooper Bateman taking a similar hit against Ole Miss?


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Thank you, may I have another. Seriously, I have seen that. Good point.
 

IndyBison

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Blind side blow up hits are being removed from the game. They have been out of the NFL for a few years. The targeting rule initially tried to do it, but the rules committee has realized more needs to be done. You can take a player out of the play without taking him out of the game.
 

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Right, and illegal procedure and false start and delay of game and illegal substitution and ineligible receiver downfield etc etc - because those were definitely the rules I was referring to when when I spoke about mitigating risk and bodily harm. If you don't intend to use even rudimentary inference skills, why post?



You clearly haven't read my posts. I'll not repeat myself if you're not actually interested in being thorough. But you'll find all the info above to see my complete position and how I perceive the rule.
Look, I get it that you think pretty highly of your own opinions and such, but instead of trying to infer that I'm ignorant, maybe you should consider that you're just wrong. ;) Some of the illegal blocking rules (merely a "for instance", btw) ARE designed to prevent injuries and nothing more. So, while you decided to dismiss this fact in order to try and belittle me, it is still a fact, and has nothing to do with penalties along the lines of "illegal substitution, and ineligible receiver downfield etc etc". Thanks for the swell eyeroll, and have a nice day.
 

IndyBison

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Fouls generally fall into three categories:

Procedural - formation, false start, delay
Advantage/Disadvantage - holding, block in the back, pass interference
Safety - unnecessary roughness, clipping, block below the waist, targeting

For the most part, the penalties are 5, 10, & 15 respectively. Each have different philosophies on how to apply them. So comparing false starts to unnecessary roughness do not have many similarities.
 

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