Namath weight was 200 lbs in college soaking wet......With his knees....he wouldn't have had the build to have dealt with the punishment.Ridiculous post.
Both are Hall of Famers in any era. Athleticism is not a quality or trait that has only recently been developed. NFL scouts today would drool over Namath's arm or Snake's unmatched coolness under fire.
Greatness transcends time.
If Stabler and Namath had been born later in life, they likely would have played for Auburn or Florida State -- because they would have been kicked off the team for excessive drinking, womanizing and other assorted activitiesPrince is a great example. I had to throw that in. I agree, I think Namath and Stabler would have been just fine if they were born later in life.
I do believe Namath spent more time in exile than on the field.If Stabler and Namath had been born later in life, they likely would have played for Auburn or Florida State -- because they would have been kicked off the team for excessive drinking, womanizing and other assorted activities
Same as with weight programs, the mindset is different on that subject as well. I would not write them off as being drunks in today's society.If Stabler and Namath had been born later in life, they likely would have played for Auburn or Florida State -- because they would have been kicked off the team for excessive drinking, womanizing and other assorted activities
Namath weight was 200 lbs in college soaking wet......With his knees....he wouldn't have had the build to have dealt with the punishment.
"greatness transcends time" would work for Race Car Driving, Horse Racing, Baseball, Golf and MAYBE Pro-Basketball --
But, not for Football......the speed, power and size just would keep that from happening. Because using that logic, that's saying that John Heisman would be the best RB of all time....
I've never heard anyone suggest that.
I do believe Namath spent more time in exile than on the field.
Had to be a hoot to play for coach Bryant knowing no one was bigger than the long arm of the law.
Well, believing that just shows your ignorance of the facts.
I think that is the problem, because going off that then Bart Starr would be the greatest because of all the championships he won at the Packers. Then you have those who use stats about AJ, but if you go by that then the argument can shift to "what if Blake Sims and Jake Coker got 2 more years as a starter" because both beat his single season passing yards record, and bot beat his 2011 passing td stat. So really you cant make NFL career and college stats the deciding factors because there are a lot of arguments that you can make for practically every qb had they been in x's situation. So its really just personal opinion. If I had to say it, then in my lifetime Jay Barker and AJ were the best, but probably my favorites to watch have been the last two because they were the underdogs. But I think from a legendary standpoint Joe Namath and Kenny are the bestA lot of you seem to be including NFL play. If you are doing that, the jury is still out on AJ. But if you only look at college play, no one comes close to AJ, and I mean in all of college football history, not just Alabama football history. He won 3 championships and could/should have won 4.
Not a first round draft pick. But that's because the game has changed.So in your mind Namath and Stabler just don't compare to magnificent physical specimens like Tom Brady and Drew Brees, huh?
BTW, if you'll check I believe you'll find that the Heisman is not a trophy for RBs, it's a trophy named after John Heisman, the coach, not John Heisman the RB. Also, perhaps you'll give the RB stats of Heisman, I've never seen any.
One more question, do you reckon the pro scouts of today would not consider Gayle Sayers or Barry Sander worthy of a draft pick?
Right, this all gets into what the criteria is. I posted another list, and neither list, neither one listed Bart Starr or Jay Barker. I can't come up with a criteria that excludes both so easily. Bart Starr was probably the best quarterback to come from the University of Alabama. He just happened to be hazed and have his Alabama career derailed. Jay Barker not only broke Pat's winning percentage record (I don't believe anyone else held it in between) and won a championship, but he had one of the best seasons in Alabama history when he was a Heisman candidate and won the Johnny Unitas award. So if you're going talent you say Starr and if you're going career how the heck do you leave off Jay Barker?I think that is the problem, because going off that then Bart Starr would be the greatest because of all the championships he won at the Packers. Then you have those who use stats about AJ, but if you go by that then the argument can shift to "what if Blake Sims and Jake Coker got 2 more years as a starter" because both beat his single season passing yards record, and bot beat his 2011 passing td stat. So really you cant make NFL career and college stats the deciding factors because there are a lot of arguments that you can make for practically every qb had they been in x's situation. So its really just personal opinion. If I had to say it, then in my lifetime Jay Barker and AJ were the best, but probably my favorites to watch have been the last two because they were the underdogs. But I think from a legendary standpoint Joe Namath and Kenny are the best
I honestly think had gene stallings not got so dang conservative in the 94 SECG and let Homer and Jay win the game like he did against UGA earlier in the year, a lot more people would think Jay is one of your top 3. Jay and AJ aren't too far apart imoRight, this all gets into what the criteria is. I posted another list, and neither list, neither one listed Bart Starr or Jay Barker. I can't come up with a criteria that excludes both so easily. Bart Starr was probably the best quarterback to come from the University of Alabama. He just happened to be hazed and have his Alabama career derailed. Jay Barker not only broke Pat's winning percentage record (I don't believe anyone else held it in between) and won a championship, but he had one of the best seasons in Alabama history when he was a Heisman candidate and won the Johnny Unitas award. So if you're going talent you say Starr and if you're going career how the heck do you leave off Jay Barker?
Everyone seems to include Pat Trammel, but really he does fit the single season accomplishment list better than the career accomplishment list. Yet, as you noted we're not really considering some other guys who had some amazing seasons. I went over this before, but the moral of the story is people just seem to be picking their favorites. There's nothing wrong with that, but it makes defending the positions more difficult.
If this system is based on statistics and wins then probably the ratings are right, although I never saw Gilmer play. If you want to rate the QBs on their athletic ability, college and NFL careers then MCarron is not in the same league with Namath and Stabler and I saw all 3 live and in person. My personal favorite however will always be Pat Trammell.[/QUOTE]
Mine too, Gray. Far from the most naturally gifted ( for me that would be Namath and Stabler ), but was the embodiment of " winner" and " leader ". I also think he could be one mean SOB, when it was called for, from what I`ve read.