Ole Miss expects to beat Bama now

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RedStar said:

Honestly, I think that's been part of the problem with the SEC over the past nearly 10 years. There has been a focus on beating one team instead of each team attempting to become the best possible team.

It's like in golf, you're not playing the other golfers on the course, you're playing the course. Ole Miss has had the talent the past 2-3 years to really make some noise on the national level, but they've focused so much on one game that it's ultimately cost them bigger goals.

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That's because CHF is a pretty good football coach but not a very good leader. Amassing talent he's done (with some peripheral support, it seems) but he's yet to develop that talent into a quality finished product. And he won't. Not at Ole Miss.

I like what he is saying. He is saying that just beating Alabama isn't the goal, you are supposed to beat them and the goal is something more.

I just happen to disagree with him.

I have no problem with what he said. I really don't.

crimsonaudio said:

Hey OM, you can't count on poor play from Bama and fluke plays to eek out victories forever, just ask Auburn.

Worth noting that while OM has squeaked out victories over Bama the last two years, we've walked away with a National Championship and two more SEC Championships...

And since you're running your mouth:

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Absolutely -

Points off short field turnovers - 23
Points on fluke off the helmet bounce 7
Points on lineman down field play 7
Points on sustained drives 6 - only 2 field goals

By failing to realize that their victory over Alabama was more a function of poor play and mistakes on Alabama's part than beautiful execution on their part they walked out of BDS thinking they were WAY better than they actually were, hence the collapse and woodshed treatment by the Gaytors and Memphis.

A good leader does not allow this to happen.

I guess when you have great talent it's hard to be humble. I know LSU expects to beat Alabama every season. After 5 Bama wins it may start to sound a little like hope, but at their talent level, we know we have to play our best. Mississippi is starting to recruit like LSU. And with their coaching, it is going to take a much tougher mindset and different approach from here on.

Redwood Forrest said:

"It's almost expected," Speaks said. "It's like how Bama fans think they should beat Auburn every year, it's kinda like we're supposed to beat [Mississippi] State every year, we're supposed to beat Bama, we're supposed to beat LSU. We got to get over that Arkansas hump, but ... we're supposed to win now and nothing less is going to be taken."

http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/i...defensive_tackle_were.html#incart_river_index

This shows what beating Bama means. Ole Miss thinks they are going to win the NC because they beat Bama twice. Note that Ole Miss has not won even the SEC as yet.

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Overconfidence = we got 'em right where we want 'em

Bama has been expecting to beat Ole Miss since...forever.:wink:

TUSKtimes said:

I guess when you have great talent it's hard to be humble. I know LSU expects to beat Alabama every season. After 5 Bama wins it may start to sound a little like hope, but at their talent level, we know we have to play our best. Mississippi is starting to recruit like LSU. And with their coaching, it is going to take a much tougher mindset and different approach from here on.

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TUSK, while I know why you might say that, I`m not sure I agree with " expects " , if they were to be absolutely honest. I`ve lived among them and while they can be insanely and irrationally optimistic and obnoxiously overconfident, deep down inside I would question if they expect to beat us every year. CNS is deep in their psyche, and I`m not sure if they`ll ever recover.

Tideflyer said:

TUSK, while I know why you might say that, I`m not sure I agree with " expects " , if they were to be absolutely honest. I`ve lived among them and while they can be insanely and irrationally optimistic and obnoxiously overconfident, deep down inside I would question if they expect to beat us every year. CNS is deep in their psyche, and I`m not sure if they`ll ever recover.

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No, I don't think they have the belief system of an LSU. That only comes from historical success. But I hate to see this much talent going to their program. We have 5 teams in the west who are starting to accumulate top 15 talent. Whatever expectations they have, I don't think we're going to talk them out of it.

Special K said:

Only 1 way to shut up this kind of talk and that's on the field. We'll see come September...

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I agree totally!!! Let's get to it in September!

B1GTide said:

I noticed that he doesn't say that Ole Miss is better, just that they expect to win this game.

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This would be the equivalent of a player from a middling B1G team saying they expect to beat OSU every year. There's nothing really wrong with saying it but what's the point? Also, does anyone know the context of these comments? Was this a random player interview or??

Too bad they may have to forfeit those victories once the NCAA finally gets their act together.

Roll, National Champions, Roll!

CrimsonForce said:

This would be the equivalent of a player from a middling B1G team saying they expect to beat OSU every year. There's nothing really wrong with saying it but what's the point? Also, does anyone know the context of these comments? Was this a random player interview or??

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Yeah, I get it. If a player from Northwestern said something like this I would probably have the same reaction. But a part of me would still think something like, "I am glad that you expect to win because that is what it takes to win."

Not to take his side but would you really want a guy who expected to LOSE to speak up??

selmaborntidefan said:

Not to take his side but would you really want a guy who expected to LOSE to speak up??

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The way I look at it is that Ole Miss has gotten too big for its britches and needs to be reminded of its place in the SEC pecking order. That is why September 17th can't get here quickly enough!

CrimsonPassion said:

The way I look at it is that Ole Miss has gotten too big for its britches and needs to be reminded of its place in the SEC pecking order. That is why September 17th can't get here quickly enough!

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To be fair, we said that last offseason as well.

I will first say that I personally don't have a big problem with what he said because I think I know what he was trying to say. However, it did rub me the wrong way just a little. I think the crux of the issue is him using the word "expect" as opposed to something like "believe." If this young man had said "Now, we BELIEVE we will beat Bama, LSU, etc.," I don't think I would've cared as much because he'd be saying that you need to do more than just be talented and show up to beat teams in the SEC. "Believe" conveys that you respect your opponent, but have confidence that you can beat that opponent. To me, when he says "We EXPECT to beat Bama," it implies that they have superior talent and can beat us by just showing up. "Expect" implies that they have somehow closed the gap, and even supplanted us as the premiere team in the West.