Re: Cam Robinson Arrested
I think if I am CNS i would give them a choice Twitter or the Tide.
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I think if I am CNS i would give them a choice Twitter or the Tide.
They ran the serial number and it had been reported stolen and it was in their car; DUH. Thus the charge; now in order for the stolen firearm charge to stick, they have to be able to prove they knew or should have known it was stolenThere's no obligation to register private purchases of firearms. Is it possible you mean lying on a background check or making a purchase on behalf of someone who would not pass a background check?
There is an obligation to not steal them from other people. My question is, what led them to apply the charge of possession of a stolen firearm in the first place?
That's not how the law works. The gun was stolen and he had it. Those are the elements of the crime. They don't have to prove he knew it was stolen.Proving that the individual stole or knowingly purchased a stolen weapon is damn near impossible. Short of them saying "yeah I knew this was hot" they don't really have much to go on other than - forgive me for an inexact name for it - improper registration of a private purchase of a firearm.
Maybe the fact that he had the gun and it was stolen?There's no obligation to register private purchases of firearms. Is it possible you mean lying on a background check or making a purchase on behalf of someone who would not pass a background check?
There is an obligation to not steal them from other people. My question is, what led them to apply the charge of possession of a stolen firearm in the first place?
It's not so much complicated as not elaborated on in the article, leaving me to speculate. For all I know, they could all have denied ownership, and the default action of the police then would be to declare it stolen, just to have lots of charges that would be dismissed later if necessary. Thanks for spelling it out, though. Now my question is how much effort are we expected to go through when buying firearms to be sure they aren't stolen? I know I don't bother verifying that. I just pay and receive.How this played out isn't nearly as complicated as people are trying to make it out to be.
Did you read the Louisana Law on the gun? IJS, go check it out.That's not how the law works. The gun was stolen and he had it. Those are the elements of the crime. They don't have to prove he knew it was stolen.
He has a chance to present evidence that he didn't know our shouldn't have assumed it was stolen. The easiest way would be the identity of the person he bought it from and some proof that he paid a reasonable amount.
Maybe the fact that he had the gun and it was stolen?
When a gun is reported stolen, the serial number and other information is entered into NCIC just like driver's license and car tag information. When police officers find a weapon at a crime scene (and this was a crime scene), pretty much the first thing they do after securing it is run the serial number to see if it comes back as stolen.
How this played out isn't nearly as complicated as people are trying to make it out to be.
Why? Harrison is telling the truth.I think if I am CNS i would give them a choice Twitter or the Tide.
The police don't "declare something is stolen" and charge a crime without probable cause. That's a guaranteed way to making large payouts from civil claims on a regular basis.It's not so much complicated as not elaborated on in the article, leaving me to speculate. For all I know, they could all have denied ownership, and the default action of the police then would be to declare it stolen, just to have lots of charges that would be dismissed later if necessary. Thanks for spelling it out, though. Now my question is how much effort are we expected to go through when buying firearms to be sure they aren't stolen. I know I don't bother verifying that. I just pay and receive.
Here's the actual law: https://legis.la.gov/legis/Law.aspx?d=78636If one of the elements of the crime is that the offender "knew or should have known that the firearm" was stolen, then yes, they have to prove that he knew or should have known that the firearm was stolen. That he can rebut that doesn't lessen the burden of the prosecution to prove it.
Charging someone with possessing a 'stolen' gun that you had no proof was actually stolen would be the problem. Having probable cause to arrest for misdemeanor possession isn't the same as making a felony arrest for a non-existent stolen weapon.If there was a gun in the car, and he said to each person is that your gun and each of them denied it, I would not be surprised at an initial charge of possessing a stolen hand gun until things are sorted out. They didn't arrest them while they were taking one-legged orphans to the park. They already had probable cause to arrest, and adding a charge that was later dropped would have no impact whatsoever vis-a-vis a lawsuit.
"Honest coach, we just wanted to know what it was like to play for Auburn."Legalities aside, how are these two young men going to convince Saban that they had an acceptable reason to be in a parking lot at 2am with guns and weed?
I brought up the one I understand Cam's charged under. If that's not it, then everything I said clearly doesn't apply.Sure they would. We'll just agree to disagree on this one and see what the facts show.
As for the crime itself, the one you've pulled is different from the one brought up earlier, but it still requires "intentional" possession, which is more than the gun was stolen and he had it.
These kids are just pouring gas on the fire, its the same reason CNS keeps assistants away from the media except 2 times a year.Why? Harrison is telling the truth.
Police and prosecutors often treat charges like a handful of wet spaghetti thrown at the wall, and charges are dropped all the time. They will always say they had probable cause. I would hesitate to draw meaningful conclusions based on initial charges.The police don't "declare something is stolen" and charge a crime without probable cause. That's a guaranteed way to making large payouts from civil claims on a regular basis.
Jones was charged with criminal mischief and harassment (domestic violence) Wednesday morning, but the case ended Friday. According to Tuscaloosa police, charges were dropped because Jones "attempted to deescalate the situation by contacting the Tuscaloosa Police Department."
The city attorney agreed with the decision to dismiss the charges. Tuscaloosa police said there was sufficient probable cause to make the initial arrest.
My guess is he bought it with cash, did not know it was stolen, and either kept it under the seat, or placed it there when apprehended.Cam needs a reasonable explanation as to how the gun could have been under his seat without his knowledge. Do we know if Cam was driving his car, or someone else's?
So what you're saying is that these tweets from Tim Williams about praying for his brothers was in reference to their future meeting with Coach Saban?*Holding my hands in the air to protect myself from the sky that is falling* (blue font)
There is a lot left to learn regarding this situation. I do not disagree with players who have said there are dirty cops in Louisiana. They will never prove Cam knew the gun was stolen OR if he stole it (which I do not think he did). I also do not find anything abnormal about a person of legal age owning a firearm. And I'm pretty neutral on the weed, too, but that's for NS forum.
I would be way more concerned about the face to face meeting with Saban that I am sure is forthcoming. That scares me more than any criminal charge. Haha.
I work with troubled youth and unless you grew up poor and in the projects, meaning you have walked a mile in their shoes, you really have no room to pass judgement.
I hate the offseason. RTR.
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Sometimes god bring you through fire to reach the water of love, peace, and happiness. He is also a forgiving god.
I pray he has mercy
Here there are laws about registering a hand gun after a purchase like this, so even if he did purchase the gun from someone and can prove it, a failure to register it would suggest guilt. So, assuming that LA has similar laws, he could still be in trouble unless he just purchased the gun - like, within the last few days.My guess is he bought it with cash, did not know it was stolen, and either kept it under the seat, or placed it there when apprehended.
Police and prosecutors often treat charges like a handful of wet spaghetti thrown at the wall, and charges are dropped all the time. They will always say they had probable cause. I would hesitate to draw meaningful conclusions based on initial charges.
A year ago this month, Cyrus Jones went through this: Domestic violence charges dropped 2 days after Alabama CB Cyrus Jones arrested