Link: Stanford Swimmer Sentenced to 6 Months in Jail

AUDub · Jun 4, 2016

for raping a woman behind a dumpster.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/06/stanford-swimmer-brock-allen-turner-sentenced.html

Guess a proper sentence would be too much for the poor thing.

Jon · Jun 4, 2016

infuriating isn't it?

Bama Reb · Jun 4, 2016

He better hope he makes it through the next six months. If he does, the girl's father (brothers, uncles, cousins, etc.,) may be waiting for him.

Elefantman · Jun 4, 2016

Six months if you are a swimmer at Stanford, zero months if you are a starting QB at FSU. Kid should transfer to FSU.

DzynKingRTR · Jun 4, 2016

Elefantman said:
Six months if you are a swimmer at Stanford, zero months if you are a starting QB at FSU. Kid should transfer to FSU.

and play a more popular sport.

Bodhisattva · Jun 4, 2016

“A prison sentence would have a severe impact on him"

Um, does this judge understand the concept of punishment?

G-VilleTider · Jun 4, 2016

Bodhisattva said:
“A prison sentence would have a severe impact on him"

Um, does this judge understand the concept of punishment?

A sentence is supposed to have as much of a detterent effect as its punishment effect. I believe the judge failed miserably in both regards.

Tide1986 · Jun 4, 2016

The sentence likely reflects the fact that both were intoxicated. Neither individual had complete control of his actions/decisions. I'm not inclined to express outrage over the verdict.

G-VilleTider · Jun 4, 2016

Tide1986 said:
The sentence likely reflects the fact that both were intoxicated. Neither individual had complete control of his actions/decisions. I'm not inclined to express outrage over the verdict.

Do you drink? Ever passed out? If a dude raped your unconcious body, would you be so forgiving?

Bama Reb · Jun 4, 2016

Tide1986 said:
The sentence likely reflects the fact that both were intoxicated. Neither individual had complete control of his actions/decisions. I'm not inclined to express outrage over the verdict.

So that means I can go out, get drunk, do all kinds of unspeakable things to other folks and still get away with it because I was drunk? Really? Cool!

Tide1986 · Jun 4, 2016

G-VilleTider said:
Do you drink? Ever passed out? If a dude raped your unconcious body, would you be so forgiving?

Bama Reb said:
So that means I can go out, get drunk, do all kinds of unspeakable things to other folks and still get away with it because I was drunk? Really? Cool!

Are you indicating that at no time the victim consented to sex?

Bama Reb · Jun 4, 2016

Tide1986 said:
Are you indicating that at no time the victim consented to sex?

Yes. An unconscious person cannot give consent. Legally, a person who is so intoxicated that they lose consciousness cannot give consent.

Tide1986 · Jun 4, 2016

Interestingly, California dropped the rape charges against the defendant. He was not convicted of rape.

Tide1986 · Jun 4, 2016

Bama Reb said:
Yes. An unconscious person cannot give consent. Legally, a person who is so intoxicated that they lose consciousness cannot give consent.

For sure she was unconscious at some point along the way.

Nevertheless, here's an article about expert testimony With respect to drunkenness and memory:

http://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/...uestions-integrity-of-witness-in-turner-trial

Bama Reb · Jun 4, 2016

That shows you how crazy California is. If she admitted to telling him ''Take me out, get me drunk, take me behind an dumpster and do with me what you will.'' then that shows how crazy she is.

Tide1986 · Jun 4, 2016

Bama Reb said:
That shows you how crazy California is.

Well based on what I've read to date, he may have never penetrated the victim.

As a note, witness testimony indicates that the victim and defendant interacted during the KA party.

Bama Reb · Jun 4, 2016

Tide1986 said:
Well based on what I've read to date, he may have never penetrated the victim.

As a note, witness testimony indicates that the victim and defendant interacted during the KA party.

He told police on Jan 18 that he was ''kissing, fondling and digitally penetrating'' her. Regardless of whether he penetrated her with a part of his body or a foreign object, doing so without her permission is still rape. I guess the only decisive factor is whether she gave or at least implied her consent.

Tide1986 · Jun 4, 2016

Bama Reb said:
He told police on Jan 18 that he was ''kissing, fondling and digitally penetrating'' her. Regardless of whether he penetrated her with a part of his body or a foreign object, doing so without her permission is still rape. I guess the only decisive factor is whether she gave or at least implied her consent.

Interestingly, no witnesses indicated that he drug her out of the party into the alley and behind the trash bin.

Yes, there is evidence that his fingers were involved.

Bama Reb · Jun 5, 2016

Tide1986 said:
Interestingly, no witnesses indicated that he drug her out of the party into the alley and behind the trash bin.

Yes, there is evidence that his fingers were involved.

And that suggests what irt her consent?

jthomas666 · Jun 5, 2016

This article includes a letter that the victim addressed to her attacker after the sentence was handed down. About the only way the letter could have been better is if she had spit in the judge's fact at the end.

And because it has come up, no, the scumbag was not charged with rape. He was charged--and convicted--on three counts: assault with the intent to commit rape, sexual penetration with a foreign object of an intoxicated person, and sexual penetration with a foreign object of an unconscious person. My suspicion is that the prosecution didn't want to mess with the issue of drunken consent on the theory that those three charges--all felonies, btw--would get a maximum sentence.

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