Suspected Islamic Terrorist Slaughters 49 at Orlando Gay Nightclub
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When riots and natural disasters inevitably happen there is anarchy and - as in my above post - sometimes government tyranny. It's not a hypothetical. It's happened.
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Now that is a great question. I am eager to hear the answer to this as well.
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OK here's what we know so far....
The shooter was:
1) a security guard
2) a Muslim
3) used an AR 15
Question...so where does the problem lie?
1) security guards
2) Muslims
3) AR 15 rifles
OK here's what we know so far....
The shooter was:
1) a security guard
2) a Muslim
3) used an AR 15
Question...so where does the problem lie?
1) security guards
2) Muslims
3) AR 15 rifles
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It also has nothing to do with Christianity or Buddhism or religion more widely but in this specific case has to do with Islam. Islam. That's it. Nothing more. So why don't you stop there instead? Again, you are not being logical at all. You want your cake and to eat it too.
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And I completely agree that more detailed background checks on individuals seeking to purchase guns (and closing loopholes preventing these checks) is an obvious and pressing need.
Very true, and that was one of the big problems with Bush's assault rifle ban; there won't be a good solution for it. But I'd argue that, if the bathtub is overflowing, the first step is turning off the faucet.
And I completely agree that more detailed background checks on individuals seeking to purchase guns (and closing loopholes preventing these checks) is an obvious and pressing need.
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Fair enough. I don't personally consider that 25-year-old example to be a compelling reason, but I can see how you and others might.
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Don't bother. Someone countered his central statement, and he didn't like being challenged by hard evidence going against his stance.
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Mass shooting at Orlando gay nightclub is worst in history
Orlando shooting sparks gun control, language debatesRe: Suspected Islamic Terrorist Slaughters 20 at Orlando Gay Nightclub
Clinton signed it into law, Bush let it expire. We already know that turning the faucet off doesn't work though. Also background checks, even more extensive ones, would not have prevented any shooting from taking place, even Roof. It would have prevented him from buying a gun legally, that is all. I am not aware of any loopholes in the law when it comes to gun purchases. IF you are talking straw man or gun show sales, there is no way to prevent either.
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as do many other religions
and that problem is that they see certain murders as perfectly acceptable. Killing gays? fine, Ted Cruz gladly accepted the support of several Christian Preachers during this very election season that have advocated killing gays in the name of their imaginary friend. Robert Dear walked into a planned parenthood for the exact same reason, his mind was warped by religion
Is Islam worse in this regard? Absolutely of that there is no question
Is Buddhism better than Christianity in this regard, absolutely, no question though they too have had their issues (see Sri Lanka and The Japanese Empire for excellent examples)
They all share 1 incredible flaw and that is the idea the Death isn't the end and that you can be rewarded posthumously for committing atrocities in this life. That flaw is baked into most religions and it's time that we see it for what it is
because Christianity has the exact same problem
as do many other religions
and that problem is that they see certain murders as perfectly acceptable. Killing gays? fine, Ted Cruz gladly accepted the support of several Christian Preachers during this very election season that have advocated killing gays in the name of their imaginary friend. Robert Dear walked into a planned parenthood for the exact same reason, his mind was warped by religion
Is Islam worse in this regard? Absolutely of that there is no question
Is Buddhism better than Christianity in this regard, absolutely, no question though they too have had their issues (see Sri Lanka and The Japanese Empire for excellent examples)
They all share 1 incredible flaw and that is the idea the Death isn't the end and that you can be rewarded posthumously for committing atrocities in this life. That flaw is baked into most religions and it's time that we see it for what it is
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IIRC (and I do), Columbine occurred under Clinton's watch when this ban was still in place and had been for several years. It had no effect.
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ETA: And atheism says there is nothing sacred about life and no consequence in a nonexistent afterlife - only what is here and now. So it seems that can be destructive as well. What shall we do about that?
As does violent atheism. Yet you ignore it.
ETA: And atheism says there is nothing sacred about life and no consequence in a nonexistent afterlife - only what is here and now. So it seems that can be destructive as well. What shall we do about that?
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Can anyone tell us what type of gun is the most responsible for homicides in the US?
Can anyone tell us what type of gun is the most responsible for homicides in the US?
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His mind was warped by those who abused their religion.
"you can be rewarded posthumously for committing atrocities in this life"
I'm pretty sure that I missed that sermon...do I get partial credit for not attending every Sunday?
"his mind was warped by religion"
His mind was warped by those who abused their religion.
"you can be rewarded posthumously for committing atrocities in this life"
I'm pretty sure that I missed that sermon...do I get partial credit for not attending every Sunday?
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As for its effectiveness, there actually seem to be a number of conflicting studies. Some of the more (presumably) unbiased organizations claimed there wasn't enough evidence to determine an effect, since assault rifles are used only rarely by criminals. The Brady center claimed there was a significant reduction in assault rifle related crimes during the ban, but they may not be an unbiased source. That being said, a Harvard study has shown that mass shootings have increased since the ban expired, and these have all involved assault rifles. Their chart below is now out of date, unfortunately.
My mistake -- I'd confused the 1994 ban with Bush's import ban in 1989.
As for its effectiveness, there actually seem to be a number of conflicting studies. Some of the more (presumably) unbiased organizations claimed there wasn't enough evidence to determine an effect, since assault rifles are used only rarely by criminals. The Brady center claimed there was a significant reduction in assault rifle related crimes during the ban, but they may not be an unbiased source. That being said, a Harvard study has shown that mass shootings have increased since the ban expired, and these have all involved assault rifles. Their chart below is now out of date, unfortunately.
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As for RPG's and rocket launchers, I'd go along similar lines as above with the added caveat that not many people are under threat from their neighbors with tanks, airplanes, and other such things. So again not a problem for me.
This probably goes beyond my skills to answer, but in regards to explosive devices I'd think it is largely based in their inherently unstable and destructive natures as well as their limits in regards to personal defense. They are highly volatile and/or highly destructive yet hold very little value in protecting oneself from legitimate threats and have the potential for massive collateral damage even if used "correctly". Whether that went into the legal argument or not I don't know but I share the sentiment most probably with many others so I don't have a problem with it. One ignorant person with no ill will could wipe out a neighborhood with explosives. It's more public safety than a weapons issue, IMHO.
As for RPG's and rocket launchers, I'd go along similar lines as above with the added caveat that not many people are under threat from their neighbors with tanks, airplanes, and other such things. So again not a problem for me.
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https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-20
The new crime statistics released by the agency reveal that out of 11,961 murders performed within the U.S. in 2014, 660 were committed unarmed, 1,567 were committed with knives and only 248 murders were known to have been committed using rifles of any type, including single-shot long arms and “assault rifles” routinely demonized by gun control groups.
VA Tech, Ft. Hood, and Giffords were handguns if I remember correctly. Also, the only statistics that I personally trust come from the FBI.My mistake -- I'd confused the 1994 ban with Bush's import ban in 1989.
As for its effectiveness, there actually seem to be a number of conflicting studies. Some of the more (presumably) unbiased organizations claimed there wasn't enough evidence to determine an effect, since assault rifles are used only rarely by criminals. The Brady center claimed there was a significant reduction in assault rifle related crimes during the ban, but they may not be an unbiased source. That being said, a Harvard study has shown that mass shootings have increased since the ban expired, and these have all involved assault rifles. Their chart below is now out of date, unfortunately.
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-20
The new crime statistics released by the agency reveal that out of 11,961 murders performed within the U.S. in 2014, 660 were committed unarmed, 1,567 were committed with knives and only 248 murders were known to have been committed using rifles of any type, including single-shot long arms and “assault rifles” routinely demonized by gun control groups.
Suspected Islamic Terrorist Slaughters 20 at Orlando Gay Nightclub
Nothing needs to be done about "assault rifles". I own an AR-15 and I will never give it up just because some idiot Muslim fanatic wants to go on a rampage. Especially something that happened 550 miles away from my home. Also it seems you've never seen during the LA Riots, Korean Americans on their roof tops defending their homes and businesses with AR-15's.
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