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rgw said:
Well, what appears to have happened is a bad thing for American policy in the region. It appears Erodgan may have played secularist in the military into devising a coup plan believing the popular support and general military backing was strong. He brought all his enemies out into the bright light and he will exterminate them now. Turkey will be an Iran clone if it is as it appears right now. The only strongly secular mostly Islamic power is going down the tubes because NATO sat back and allowed this guy to sink his claws into that country.
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They took a big risk and failed this time. Shame.
 
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AUDub said:
They took a big risk and failed this time. Shame.
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it will be interesting to see how all of this shakes out once information starts coming out about who did what, when. it seems that the coup wasn't very well planned and they neither had the capacity, nor the support, to back up their attempt.

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Within a few hours, though, it became clear they were losing their gamble. Amid reports of fighting, explosions at the parliament, anti-coup street protests—and even a report of a loyalist jet shooting down a coup-plotters’ helicopter—it was plain that the soldiers had failed to swiftly establish control. That is a key requirement of a successful coup. Gradually, several current and former army commanders, as well as all of the country’s major political parties, denounced the subversion of democracy. The leaders of the West—led by Barack Obama, Angela Merkel and the European Union's top officials—came down firmly on the side of Turkey’s elected but deeply flawed president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

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Whether or not the attempted coup has failed, it will have severe repercussions for Turkish democracy. If Mr Erdogan survives it, he will emerge stronger and more determined than ever to crack down on domestic opponents. His long-running quest to grant himself even more political power by changing the constitution to create an executive presidency will only be strengthened. If he is overthrown, the coup-makers will face furious resistance not only from Mr Erdogan’s supporters but from those Turks convinced that the only thing worse than Mr Erdogan’s increasingly authoritarian rule is to be ruled by the generals. Further bloodshed may be in store.
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Its a bad thing for the current administration's policy of pushing for more radical jihadi governments as it did in Libya, Egypt, Syria and was supportive of the now deposed leader who was starting to exhibit radical tendencies. Pakistan's military is the other one that allows some stuff to go on, but for the most part, they keep the government in check to prevent the from going to far to the crazy side.
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I don't think they're pushing for these radical Islamist regimes as much as they're just choosing not to intercede like Afghanistan and their attempts to guide on the cheap with black ops and small funding has mostly blown up in their faces. A large part of the budget+debt mess Obama inherited was due to the fiscally irresponsible war on terrorism. Lets remember, at the height of the Iraqi War that the perhaps richest American individual at that time - Bill Gates - could have only afforded to run the operation for a month and a half before going broke. And we were funding this war by taking on debt. We simply cannot sustain the long reach and defense-induced debt of the war against terrorist groups in the Middle East and Northeastern Africa. I do not think the foreign policy is an apathy towards the geopolitical risk of it all but an admission that our country simply can no longer afford to sustain the war effort whilst acting like nothing is happening on the stateside (spend, spend, spend y'all).

Lets not forget that NATO and the United States specifically has sat on their hands despite Erdogan clearly being a radical sympathetic because the alliance needs their land to launch drone and fighter jet strikes against ISIS. Our fight against radical groups basically incubated a leader who will take the best example of Westernization in the Middle East to the other side of the ledger.
 
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Furthermore, I don't think anything good was going to come from this because the public sentiment was never really behind the secularist intentions. The generals could have put a bullet in Erdogan's head but not really won the state back to the side of the Ataturk ideals. If the army stood down after that feat, another and likely worse leader would have been freely elected. If they maintained martial law, a bloody civil war was going to happen.


We lost Turkey well before this moment, this is just the moment for grade school history books to point to when explaining it.
 
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There's emerging thought in Europe that this was a "staged" coup to provide Erdogan an excuse to move in a more Islamic direction. I know most can't read this, but there should be alternate sources...

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Yeah, some are calling it a "false flag" scenario but what they're suggesting is more or less a honeypot to round up all his remaining dissenters in the military and government.

Gutsy move because if the dissent was a bit more organize then he could have been killed. Maybe some of the higher up military officers were playing the other generals and colonels with bad information and Erdogan was always going to be safe from harm?


A bit tinfoil hat but the way this played out was all too convenient for him.
 
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A false flag scenario is not out of the question and IIRC a similar situation has occurred previously during his time in office. Whatever the case he is certainly using the opportunity to root out opposition. How far will it go?
 
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