I always appreciate good research, which you've done. Props to you for that....I see at least five arrests that appear to be pretty bogus. That drops the number down to 13 arrests over a five year span. Would you be satisfied with that?
Not trying to be argumentative. Really want to understand your thinking. What more do you want?I always appreciate good research, which you've done. Props to you for that.
As for being satisfied, I'm not; but I think you and I just look at this issue from fundamentally different perspectives. I will to respect you and yours, despite the disagreement.
Per year?!Heck, the stats provided earlier indicate 3% of the football team are arrested. Are we really expected to think only 3% of the UA male population is arrested?
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IMO, even without the DUI, he has been passed by Kennedy and probably would not play except in mop up duties. Again, IMO, he was the weak link on the OL last year.I suspect Alphonse will miss some games
Just for clarification's sake. Those numbers are for the general population, correct? Going to bet the percentage is higher for the 18-23 year old range. That was my point.Per year?!
Edit: I went looking for stats. Here's the best I could find from the FBI website from 2012:
"Nationwide, law enforcement made an estimated 12,196,959 arrests in 2012. Of these arrests, 521,196 were for violent crimes, and 1,646,212 were for property crimes. (Note: the UCR Program does not collect data on citations for traffic violations.)The highest number of arrests were for drug abuse violations (estimated at 1,552,432 arrests), driving under the influence (estimated at 1,282,957), and larceny-theft (estimated at 1,282,352). (See Table 29.)
The estimated arrest rate for the United States in 2012 was 3,888.2 arrests per 100,000 inhabitants. The arrest rate for violent crime (including murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault) was 166.3 per 100,000 inhabitants, and the arrest rate for property crime (burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, and arson) was 528.1 per 100,000 inhabitants. (See Table 30.)"
That does make for a 3.9% arrest rate. However, it does not take into account that the mean number of arrests per capita per year is not the same as percentage of the population that was arrested per year, which is going to be far lower (many people have many arrests each year, meaning that the percentage of unique individuals getting arrested per year is far lower. I was still shocked to see that the arrest rate is over 3% per year!
Nonetheless, I think I would be very unhappy if 3% of my team was arrested on average each year. These are people who have the privilege of playing football for scholarship and should be held to a higher standard than the general populace. For example, if you heard that 3% of physicians or police officers were arrested each year, wouldn't you consider that too high? Politicians is probably another story, of course...
I don't think we're terrible outliers here for college football, but I want better for our University.
I guess that's that.Saban comments...
Saban comments...
Not really. "Indefinitely suspended" under Saban means he has a lot to do before he would consider taking him back and he won't be a part of team activities until he does. It did not say he was kicked off the team. With that said, the suspension coming two weeks before camp starts I would say Shank's chances of seeing the field anytime soon or at all are very slim.I guess that's that.
Lets just say Shank will be in a lot better shape once he's done all Coach requires.Not really. "Indefinitely suspended" under Saban means he has a lot to do before he would consider taking him back and he won't be a part of team activities until he does. It did not say he was kicked off the team. With that said, the suspension coming two weeks before camp starts I would say Shank's chances of seeing the field anytime soon or at all are very slim.
IndeedIts been a helluva offseason. It's kind of hard to poke fun at other teams with everything going on.
Perhaps so - no one can really say - but if I had to venture a guess I think Cam and Hootie are closer to the "going to play" side of the continuum while Alphonse Taylor is almost right next to the "not going to play" pole.IIRC - both Cam & Hootie are currently in the same status pending completion of Saban's prescribed steps to regain their status with the team. This should not be a surprise to anyone.
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Oh - no doubt about that. Saban made that pretty clear at media day. I was just pointing out that his initial response was basically the same and no formal announcement has been made regarding their status.Perhaps so - no one can really say - but if I had to venture a guess I think Cam and Hootie are closer to the "going to play" side of the continuum while Alphonse Taylor is almost right next to the "not going to play" pole.
I have two major issues with your position.As for being satisfied, I'm not; but I think you and I just look at this issue from fundamentally different perspectives. I will to respect you and yours, despite the disagreement.
Not only that, but you had 4 arrests from a single incident. Every single one of the players involved were kicked off the team. The only player allowed to return, from what I gather had no direct involvement (his guilt was that of being present). You can't let data be skewed by single incidents though, for instance you have one mass killing in a small country like Iceland and suddenly the homicide rate skyrockets. That's not indicative of now things normally are though.I see at least five arrests that appear to be pretty bogus. That drops the number down to 13 arrests over a five year span. Would you be satisfied with that?
It is hard to believe that at this point in time, some people are still so oblivious, and yet they are. How many times did someone report what Sandusky was doing? Yet, it took decades for him to be arrested right? Well, I guess they had a sterling arrest record for coaches during that period, but what means absolutely nothing.Hard to have an arrest problem when nobody can even bring your players in for questioning much less put cuffs on them