News Article: Justice Department Says it Will End Use of Private Prisons

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...471534255226&tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.af9a59641d60

The Justice Department plans to end its use of private prisons after officials concluded the facilities are both less safe and less effective at providing correctional services than those run by the government.

Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates announced the decision on Thursday in a memo that instructs officials to either decline to renew the contracts for private prison operators when they expire or “substantially reduce” the contracts’ scope. The goal, Yates wrote, is “reducing — and ultimately ending — our use of privately operated prisons.”
In general I'm against government having more control over things but in this case I have been against the prisons for profit thing for a long time now. There's little incentive to see non-violent criminals released, rehabilitated, etc. when making money is involved.

Now if we can just get some other big improvements to the justice system...
 

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...471534255226&tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.af9a59641d60



In general I'm against government having more control over things but in this case I have been against the prisons for profit thing for a long time now. There's little incentive to see non-violent criminals released, rehabilitated, etc. when making money is involved.

Now if we can just get some other big improvements to the justice system...
The proper incentives can be there with a good contract and oversight. I think the private companies can operate with more flexibility and can save money for the taxpayers.
 

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I believe most private prisons are at the state level though and I don't believe the DOJ can do anything about that...
 

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Yes because everything the government runs, runs so much better. Maybe they can get the Obamacare and VA people to run the prisons too
 

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Why don't we let the private sector just takeover first responders too? We wouldn't have a police violence problem anymore because only rich white neighborhoods could afford to have them anyway!
 

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Yes because everything the government runs, runs so much better. Maybe they can get the Obamacare and VA people to run the prisons too
I agree on most things as far as that goes and I'm sure there's huge waste & inefficiency in government run prisons but I still have a big problem with prison being something that should even be a for profit business in the first place.

America already incarcerates people at about twice the rate or more of other first world countries. Turning inmates into profit margins is one part of that problem but far from the only problem.
 

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The criminal justice system is not broken because there are too many people in private prisons. It is broken because there are too many people in prison, period. Merely shuffling prisoners from one form of captivity to another might be an exciting development for lefties whose driving force is hatred of corporations and profits, but the move won't accomplish much else. It may even make life even more uncomfortable for the actual prisoners.

If left-leaning reformers understand this, many of them aren't letting on. Black Lives Matter activist Shaun King hailed the Justice Department's decision as a "huge deal." Ilyse Hogue, the president of NARAL, called it "one of the most significant victories of the decade." California's Democratic Attorney General Kamala Harris said that she applauds the decision. "Mass incarceration should not be incentivized by private gain."

This analysis is ahistorical. Private prisons did not create the conditions that encouraged mass incarceration—private prisons came into being as a response to mass incarceration.
http://reason.com/blog/2016/08/18/the-justice-departments-war-on-private-p
 

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal

The "kids for cash" scandal unfolded in 2008 over judicial kickbacks at the Luzerne County Court of Common Pleas in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania. Two judges, President Judge Mark Ciavarella and Senior Judge Michael Conahan, were convicted of accepting money from Robert Mericle, builder of two private, for-profit youth centers for the detention of juveniles, in return for contracting with the facilities and imposing harsh adjudications on juveniles brought before their courts to increase the number of residents in the centers.
 

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I agree on most things as far as that goes and I'm sure there's huge waste & inefficiency in government run prisons but I still have a big problem with prison being something that should even be a for profit business in the first place.

America already incarcerates people at about twice the rate or more of other first world countries. Turning inmates into profit margins is one part of that problem but far from the only problem.
is this the legalize drugs argument?

Because the incarceration rate of the US is double because we have such a wide cultural blending of first and third world peoples. Europe is starting to change and their incarceration rate is increasing accordingly
 

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I believe most private prisons are at the state level though and I don't believe the DOJ can do anything about that...
Well, the DOJ does have a few lawyers on staff. I'm sure they can "find" various "reasons" to threaten the state's over their various uses of private prisons.
 

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is this the legalize drugs argument?
No it's the serious problem in our justice system argument of which mandatory minimums and marijuana charges are one part.

The system is built around getting convictions and holding up convictions rather than finding the truth and giving justice. Which is why we're seeing record numbers of overturned cases and exonerations while not knowing how many innocent people are truly rotting in prison for crimes they didn't commit because they couldn't afford a decent attorney. And even when they can get a decent attorney and evidence comes to light that they were innocent it can still take years for an innocent person to get out of the system because many of the appeals courts just rubber stamp what came before them.

District attorneys, judges and sheriffs being elected helps add to this because it gives them extra incentive to push through convictions for their image so that they can keep their jobs when election time rolls around rather than search for the truth in cases which is what DA's are meant to do. Prosecution being able to spend money left and right to convict someone that is stuck with an underpaid public defender who may have a hundred other cases going at the same time adds to it as well.

Innocence project studies estimate that between 2% and 5% of all prisoners are innocent, which doesn't sound like much but tell that to the 40,000-100,000 or so people that are sitting behind bars for something they didn't do. Nevermind the cases where people that did a small non-violent crime are given ridiculous sentences because of a mandatory minimum.

The system is broken and corrupt like so many other things in our society. Private prisons might be a response to the mass incarceration like the link Bod posted above says but it also takes away the societal need to actually fix what it is wrong in our system because some corporation out there can just get a payday out of the broken system.
 
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