Link: 'Oppressed' Kaepernick acting like a punk

Tidewater said:

Now a Navy petty officer is getting in on the act.
I do not think this will end well for her. Of course, there are thoughtless people who will say it is her right as an African-American not to stand during the national anthem, and when she gets separated from the Navy, that decision will be decried as "racist."
Then again, there may be some who will say the Navy is "acting stupidly" in this case and let his disobedience stand.

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I think some UCMJ is definitely in order here. And if she wants to go into politics, she can do it as a civilian.


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selmaborntidefan said:

Now let me ask the obvious question - what FREEDOM does SHE not have?

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I'd imagine when off duty and in civilian attire, she is free to sit, kneel, lie down or assume whatever yoga pose she feels is appropriate as a form of protest.

When in uniform, though, there are certain customs and courtesies that are expected and one of them is standing at attention when the anthem is played. I would imagine some form of nonjudicial punishment would be the result.

AV8N said:

I'd imagine when off duty and in civilian attire, she is free to sit, kneel, lie down or assume whatever yoga pose she feels is appropriate as a form of protest.

When in uniform, though, there are certain customs and courtesies that are expected and one of them is standing at attention when the anthem is played. I would imagine some form of nonjudicial punishment would be the result.

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Back in the day , you always considered yourself in uniform even when you weren't.

RammerJammer14 said:

I think some UCMJ is definitely in order here. And if she wants to go into politics, she can do it as a civilian.


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Yeah, UCMJ should get her for that. She is suppose to stand and also salute the flag. It's non negotiable.


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dvldog said:

Back in the day , you always considered yourself in uniform even when you weren't.

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Yeah, they've relaxed that. I can see why too.


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Yes - but will the NFL have the stones to do something similar? :rolleye2:

AV8N said:

I'd imagine when off duty and in civilian attire, she is free to sit, kneel, lie down or assume whatever yoga pose she feels is appropriate as a form of protest.

When in uniform, though, there are certain customs and courtesies that are expected and one of them is standing at attention when the anthem is played. I would imagine some form of nonjudicial punishment would be the result.

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Absolutely.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/new...k-signings-contract/xuaiqfa1k1z41bshdrqbylbw7

...the Bleacher Report explanation is much more plausible — and NFL executives no longer deserve the benefit of the doubt that their decisions are football-related.

They might be able to get away with them being money-related, except that there is nothing definitive about what Kaepernick wants to get paid. Then again … $18.5 million for Mike Glennon. To be a starter.

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Of course this isn't about football. It’s about maintaining the status quo, or what NFL teams believe that to be. It's about not ruffling feathers, or at least the feathers NFL teams care about ruffling.

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If Kaepernick is going to mix non-football matters with football, of course NFL executives should be able to do the same.

Tide1986 said:

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/new...k-signings-contract/xuaiqfa1k1z41bshdrqbylbw7





If Kaepernick is going to mix non-football matters with football, of course NFL executives should be able to do the same.

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Tim Tebow wasn't kept in the NFL because they hated Christians, he was removed because he wasn't a good football player.

Michael Sam isn't out of the NFL because he's gay, he's out because he's not an NFL caliber football player.

And Colin Kaepernick will be out of the NFL NOT because of his protest, he's out because he's lousy.


Do any of you think that if this was Matt Ryan that NFL execs would be saying, "Wow, he can turn a franchise around but.....that protest....?" Of course not. Same with Aaron Rodgers or Dak Prescott. Colin is going to have PLENTY of time to spend on his knees now that he needs a new gig. I'm sure he'll find Jesus and become a spokesperson for 'how I was oppressed as a millionaire black man.'

Since I do not watch and am not a fan of the NFL I don't care what any of them do. Kaepernick deserves whatever happens.

I get so tired of this mess. I support and will die for their freedom but with freedom comes responsibility. If CK and others are feeling so oppressed, I seem to recall the borders are open for them to leave and go somewhere else. No one is forcing them to live in the USA. However, they can go to Iran, Iraq, and other places and try this crap and see what happens. Truth is that no other country in the world offers them this freedom they have here. So they need to appreciate it IMHO. Where else can they make millions playing with a ball? Has any of the Hollywood elitists who said they would leave if Trump was elected left yet? No don't think so that I am aware of. What's holding them back?

Could we combine the two CK threads into one here? I'd like to keep this here...

Tide Rev said:

I get so tired of this mess. I support and will die for their freedom but with freedom comes responsibility. If CK and others are feeling so oppressed, I seem to recall the borders are open for them to leave and go somewhere else. No one is forcing them to live in the USA. However, they can go to Iran, Iraq, and other places and try this crap and see what happens. Truth is that no other country in the world offers them this freedom they have here. So they need to appreciate it IMHO. Where else can they make millions playing with a ball? Has any of the Hollywood elitists who said they would leave if Trump was elected left yet? No don't think so that I am aware of. What's holding them back?

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you mention borders open for them. No borders are as open as ours.

Tom Coughlin says "zero chance" of the Jags hiring CK.

For all the folks talking about protesting because CK is not in the league, go ahead. Pool your money, buy yourself a team and hire CK as your QB.
The reason he is not playing is not because of his race (I honestly believe that NFL owners and coaches could not care less about a player's race), or his national anthem "protests," but because he is just not that good. He does not give a team a better chance of winning.

Tidewater said:

Tom Coughlin says "zero chance" of the Jags hiring CK.

For all the folks talking about protesting because CK is not in the league, go ahead. Pool your money, buy yourself a team and hire CK as your QB.
The reason he is not playing is not because of his race (I honestly believe that NFL owners and coaches could not care less about a player's race), or his national anthem "protests," but because he is just not that good. He does not give a team a better chance of winning.

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Bingo! Just a few days ago talk radio here was a buzz with the prospect of the Eagles getting CK as a backup QB. There was speculation that the current backup QB, Nick Foles was injured and could not play. Most fans did not want him. The opinion here is his talent doesn't make up for his garbage. One player for the Eagles came out and said he wasn't worth the distractions.

Every other single guy protested the anthem EXCEPT CK is still playing in the NFL. THAT ALONE proves that this is a business decision.


Btw - can I please refute one particular line of reasoning I'm getting sick of hearing? There's a cottage industry out there to defending CK that goes like this:

a) he's better than (names of lousy backups)
b) he threw 16 TDs and only 4 INT last year!!!


Let's deal with each of these.

First of all, it's hardly an endorsement of athletic ability to say you're better than the worst backup QB in the NFL. Thousands of others could make that same claim and yet nobody is arguing for them to be signed to NFL contracts.

Secondly - where in the hell did we EVER get the idea that SIXTEEN TDs in a 16-game NFL schedule is a GOOD STAT? Twenty-four other NFL quarterbacks threw for more touchdowns. Oh, but Colin only played 12 games, right? That still makes him 19th in average TDs per game.

Wanna hear some stats the CK tongue bathers don't ever quote?

1) His completion percentage of 59.2 is 26th in a 32-team league. Keep in mind this is inflated because he throws a lot of short outs, which anybody with one arm should be capable of doing.

2) He's 29th out of 32 in passing yards.

3) His QBR is 23rd; I'm actually amazed one of his dolts hasn't pointed out he's higher than Cam Newton in this stat.

4) He's 29 years old playing a position that has an average of ELEVEN NEW ONES drafted every single year and has an average age of about 28 that is inflated by five QBS 35 or older.

In other words, if he's actually an NFL caliber player, he should be hitting his peak right now.

And his peak isn't all that good.

I'm not getting bent out of shape like the Cleveland Police Union over players kneeling during the national anthem. That said, yeah CK sucks as a NFL QB and this is nothing more than a business decision. I don't really like the narrative being pushed otherwise.

Mr. Disrespetful has the right to kneel all he wants, just as the NFL owners have the right not to sign him. It goes both ways.