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tattooguy21

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I'm surprised people weren't blowing this thread up last night with all the bad officiating in the arky game

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tattooguy21

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Last night miss st lost to byu, and I'd say it was in no small part due to a bad call from SEC officials.

On 4th and short at the goal line, an incomplete pass meant that state would get the ball back with a 7 point lead. Except, there was a roughing the passer call.

The announcers tried to find it, and we're actually confused when they saw the replay. "Was that it?" one of them asked.

I think SEC officials will be the ones everyone wants to avoid in the post season

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RTR91

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Went back through the UT postgame thread and didn't see any mention of it, so I apologize if this has been addressed elsewhere.

What were everyone's thoughts on the Keith Holcombe penalty? I thought it was a bad hit when it happened, but I changed my mind when CBS showed the replay from the endzone. Look at Kamara's right foot and then look at Holcombe.

 

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Last night miss st lost to byu, and I'd say it was in no small part due to a bad call from SEC officials.

On 4th and short at the goal line, an incomplete pass meant that state would get the ball back with a 7 point lead. Except, there was a roughing the passer call.

The announcers tried to find it, and we're actually confused when they saw the replay. "Was that it?" one of them asked.

I think SEC officials will be the ones everyone wants to avoid in the post season

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Funny thing is, if you read the A&M boards, they're delighted to get away from B12 officials and get SEC stripes. They feel the B12 officials favored UT big time and I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't correct. BTW, how's the knee coming?
 

B1GTide

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Went back through the UT postgame thread and didn't see any mention of it, so I apologize if this has been addressed elsewhere.

What were everyone's thoughts on the Keith Holcombe penalty? I thought it was a bad hit when it happened, but I changed my mind when CBS showed the replay from the endzone. Look at Kamara's right foot and then look at Holcombe.
I thought it was a bad call because Keith had no way of knowing that Kamara was going to step out of bounds when he committed to the tackle. How many times have we seen a slippery back like Kamara try to avoid that tackle and continue up the sidelines? The official took something for granted that will cost a defensive player if they similarly take for granted.
 

CrimsonForce

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Funny how the aTm and UT boards all think the referees favor Bama. Our opponents are the least penalized out of any other team in FBS. Also, puzzling to read the UT forums and their complaints about the officiating. Bama had 5 penalties and UT had only 1..
 

LA4Bama

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Went back through the UT postgame thread and didn't see any mention of it, so I apologize if this has been addressed elsewhere.

What were everyone's thoughts on the Keith Holcombe penalty? I thought it was a bad hit when it happened, but I changed my mind when CBS showed the replay from the endzone. Look at Kamara's right foot and then look at Holcombe.
That's a "judgment call" foul, is it not? It's a hard play for the defense; never know if the RB is going to step out or accept contact in bounds to fight for yards. I think the refs need to take that into account when making the judgment, but can't say I am surprised or upset by how it was called in this game. I didn't check how the rule is written, but since Holcombe went in with his head down, if it is his responsibility to avoid the runner out of bounds, perhaps the ref thought he didn't assume that responsibility.
 

TiderMan

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Went back through the UT postgame thread and didn't see any mention of it, so I apologize if this has been addressed elsewhere.

What were everyone's thoughts on the Keith Holcombe penalty? I thought it was a bad hit when it happened, but I changed my mind when CBS showed the replay from the endzone. Look at Kamara's right foot and then look at Holcombe.

It could have gone either way - it was a borderline late hit. However, the hit was so hard that it drove Kamara way into the bench area and looked later than it was. If you are going to get 15 yards, at least him hard and Kamara felt that one.
 

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I thought it was a bad call because Keith had no way of knowing that Kamara was going to step out of bounds when he committed to the tackle. How many times have we seen a slippery back like Kamara try to avoid that tackle and continue up the sidelines? The official took something for granted that will cost a defensive player if they similarly take for granted.
in the '93 Sugar Bowl, a Miami runner faked going out of bounds and went right on down the field when the Bama defender pulled up. Best thing to do is let them go on by and then chase them down and take the ball away from them. :biggrin:
 

Tide1986

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Went back through the UT postgame thread and didn't see any mention of it, so I apologize if this has been addressed elsewhere.

What were everyone's thoughts on the Keith Holcombe penalty? I thought it was a bad hit when it happened, but I changed my mind when CBS showed the replay from the endzone. Look at Kamara's right foot and then look at Holcombe.

I recall a similar play a little later on, but the roles were reversed and unsurprisingly no flag was thrown. Consistency isn't too much to ask for is it?
 

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I mentioned the Holcombe play on fb. It's not a "hit out of bounds", if the runner hasn't stepped out of bounds! Someone mentioned earlier that the official made an assumption. Don't call what you don't see!
 

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I recall a similar play a little later on, but the roles were reversed and unsurprisingly no flag was thrown. Consistency isn't too much to ask for is it?
After seeing this view yesterday I was really surprised it was even called. The hit sent Kamara so far off the field the official had to have thought he hit him very late.
 

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Live it looked like he actually stepped out (barely) the stride before but then juked back in thus Keith'*****. Don't think it should have been called but...


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AlistarWills

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I told my kids I didn't mind the Holcombe penalty cause Kamara wasn't the same the rest of the game.
 

RammerJammer14

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Went back through the UT postgame thread and didn't see any mention of it, so I apologize if this has been addressed elsewhere.

What were everyone's thoughts on the Keith Holcombe penalty? I thought it was a bad hit when it happened, but I changed my mind when CBS showed the replay from the endzone. Look at Kamara's right foot and then look at Holcombe.

I didn't think it was a bad hit at all. I don't have a problem with the late hit out of bounds call because the contact was made at that 50/50 point. But Kieth had no way of knowing if Kamara was going out of bounds or not. I mean he had just tip-toed down the sideline for about 25yds already. If Kieth hadn't of committed to that tackle, Kamara probably picks up the 15 on the ground anyways. The tackle forced him out.


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Snuffy Smith

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Got into a heated discussion about this during the game. If you follow this through, the hit occurs almost simultaneously with his first step out of bounds. Until that point he is not officially out - I don't care where the rest of his body is, until some part of it touches the white he is fair game.


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tattooguy21

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Funny thing is, if you read the A&M boards, they're delighted to get away from B12 officials and get SEC stripes. They feel the B12 officials favored UT big time and I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't correct. BTW, how's the knee coming?
Have a month off but can't afford to take it. There's an academics course that's 2 weeks long, offered only twice a year, and I had a slot. Couldn't afford to miss out. Class started today, so when it's done, I'll enjoy the last two weeks off. Thanks for asking.

Regarding the big 12 officiating, I have no doubt that was true once upon a time.
 

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