Officiating across college football

gman4tide · Sep 22, 2016

LA4Bama said:
Wow, is there any way to explain that? That seemed textbook perfect defense to me. That indeed might be the worst targeting call of all time.

Nah, that had to be the call on one of our db's early last year or the year before. He was making a play on a thrown ball (if I remember right, I was listening...not watching) and his head made contact with the receivers. It was overturned (I believe) but the initial foul call seemed incredibly unbelievable.

RammerJammer14 · Sep 22, 2016

Titans&Tide said:
I agree with you, Rich. Make things like Targeting, Ineligible Downfield, and Personal Foul during a play challengeable calls, just like down-by-contact and ball spot. The consequence is loss of a timeout. No brainer.

Of course, this assumes that the replay booth and/or geniuses in Birmingham will actually get the call right on replay.

I agree with being able to review/challenge calls that aren't truly judgement calls. For example, ineligible man downfield. Either he is beyond the 3yds when the ball is thrown, or he isn't. There is no grey area. Why that isn't a reviewable play, I don't know. Fouls such as holding or pass interference should remain judgement calls.

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Snuffy Smith · Sep 22, 2016

PitMaster said:
Why not?

It it is a classic good old boy network. They have now found a way to keep the older guys on payroll by letting them man command central in Birmingham

Probably have a bunch of young college student interns watching all those TV's while the old refs are in the back room somewhere playing poker, drinking whisky and smoking cigars.

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RobK · Sep 23, 2016

It is a classic tradeoff between pace-of-play/keeping game durations shorter/human element/traditional elements (chain gangs, etc.) vs. absolute accuracy/technology/longer delays in the pursuit of justice. Once you start down the road toward absolute accuracy, it is the camel's nose under the tent. Replay will continually expand, delays will take longer, etc. Not necessarily a bad thing (and it's a really good thing to attempt to get everything right) but no one should be under any illusions that it doesn't change the game.

tattooguy21 · Sep 24, 2016

In case you forgot, this thread is available throughout the season. Case in point, watching the Arkansas vs aTm game in the 4th quarter and the interference call for the ball that was WELL out of bounds.

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Elefantman · Oct 1, 2016

Watching the uga ut game. Why does the best conference have the worst officials? They are an embarrassment.

tattooguy21 · Oct 1, 2016

Ok, all from the end of the Georgia vs Tennessee 3rd quarter, the two ground balls were pretty ridiculous.

In the acc, the unc safety in fsu was overturned

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colbysullivan · Oct 1, 2016

The safety being overturned was terrible. Forward progress only applies if the runner is actually trying to go forward. Francois was running backward the entire time.

tattooguy21 · Oct 2, 2016

If you guys haven't seen it, find the final minutes of bob stoops temper tantrum in the Oklahoma vs tcu game. Here's the cliff notes;

Tcu qb throws the ball from the pocket as being hit by defender and ball lands near no one. It's correctly called an incomplete pass by the refs. Refs actually announce that it wasn't a penalty. Stoops loses his mind, 2 minutes go by, flag is thrown for intentional grounding.

Sometime explain this to me

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LSUgrad2BamaDad · Oct 2, 2016

I assume you guys missed this because LSU game time conflicted with Alabama's, but this is just dumb. LSU receives a punt, returns for some yardage and tackled. TV timeout. Come back from timeout and LSU starts to run a play, a jet sweep, just as the QB receives the ball from center and hands to the WR, the refs blow the whistle and announce the prior play is under review. They go back and review the punt return and call targeting on an LSU blocker. He gets ejected. I'm still iffy on whether that was the right call, but the SEC rule is that the officials are not allowed to review a play during a TV timeout. What an unnecessary waste of time.

BamaHoosier · Oct 2, 2016

It's not college football, but one of the worst calls I've ever seen happened in the Texans-Titans game today. Titans are punting, the kick is easily blocked, and a Texan scoops it up and has a clear path to the endzone. The refs blow the play dead well after the kick was blocked.

The ref who was behind the kick returner 50 yards away had thrown a flag because he had counted 12 men on the field. The refs huddle up and announce that the play was blown dead because of an "assumption" of 12 men on the field, but the 12th man was off the field well before the snap. They replayed the down and instead of a block and TD, they wound up getting pinned inside their own 10.

Wound up not mattering as the Texans won, but it was one of the most erroneous calls I've ever seen.

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Redwood Forrest · Oct 2, 2016

That call in the Georgia game still makes me believe the refs are on the take. How else can you explain the ref looking right at the receiver (with a clear view) and sees the ball rolling around on the ground ..... and.....and....and ruling a reception!

This was not a mistake unless the ref has dropped his glasses. Then the replay booth ignores the call.

Hmmm.

I told my wife Georgia would not win the game because the fix was on and there at the end they found thirty yards of penalties so get Tennessee in Hail Mary distance. Were there really two fouls? I don't know but seeing blatant cheating going on cause me to suspect it all.

B1GTide · Oct 2, 2016

LSUgrad2BamaDad said:
I assume you guys missed this because LSU game time conflicted with Alabama's, but this is just dumb. LSU receives a punt, returns for some yardage and tackled. TV timeout. Come back from timeout and LSU starts to run a play, a jet sweep, just as the QB receives the ball from center and hands to the WR, the refs blow the whistle and announce the prior play is under review. They go back and review the punt return and call targeting on an LSU blocker. He gets ejected. I'm still iffy on whether that was the right call, but the SEC rule is that the officials are not allowed to review a play during a TV timeout. What an unnecessary waste of time.

Hmmm, so CBS helps write the SEC rule book.

tattooguy21 · Oct 2, 2016

B1GTide said:
Hmmm, so CBS helps write the SEC rule book.

Ssssshhhhhh, you've said too much

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Snuffy Smith · Oct 2, 2016

tattooguy21 said:
If you guys haven't seen it, find the final minutes of bob stoops temper tantrum in the Oklahoma vs tcu game. Here's the cliff notes;

Tcu qb throws the ball from the pocket as being hit by defender and ball lands near no one. It's correctly called an incomplete pass by the refs. Refs actually announce that it wasn't a penalty. Stoops loses his mind, 2 minutes go by, flag is thrown for intentional grounding.

Sometime explain this to me

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Stoops is really a Jedi knight?

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BamaMoon · Oct 3, 2016

Did anybody see how the officials totally missed an incomplete pass that was called complete on Tennessee's next to last drive Saturday? I think it was a 1st down play and they threw about a 7 yard pass that the receiver clearly dropped as replay showed but it was called a catch in real time by the officials. UT went fast and got off a play before it was reviewed.

I think there needs to be a rule change that when teams "go fast" to avoid a questionable call that the officials can declare a play dead if previous play was clearly botched.

How the replay officials didn't buzz down on that one is inconceivable but that play shouldn't have never stood.

GreatMarch · Oct 3, 2016

tattooguy21 said:
If you guys haven't seen it, find the final minutes of bob stoops temper tantrum in the Oklahoma vs tcu game. Here's the cliff notes;

Tcu qb throws the ball from the pocket as being hit by defender and ball lands near no one. It's correctly called an incomplete pass by the refs. Refs actually announce that it wasn't a penalty. Stoops loses his mind, 2 minutes go by, flag is thrown for intentional grounding.

Sometime explain this to me

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I actually saw that play and I think Stoops and ultimately the officials got the grounding call correct. Kenny Hill had dropped back and was in the pocket when the pressure got to him. He turned to his right where he thought his outlet out of the backfield might be and threw a pass about 5 to 8 yards beyond the line of scrimmage where no TCU player was within 15 yards of where the pass had landed. His outlet was busy trying to take on a DE and never released for a pass route and I believe the Ref behind the line was too occupied on the pocket and OLine play to pick up where the ball landed in relation to an eligible receiver. The Head Linesman and Umpire seemed to be the officials who told the ref about the intentional grounding. The Ref even got the spot right on the pass attempt as Intentional Grounding is a spot foul from the point of release of the pass with no yardage mark off and a loss of down.

tattooguy21 · Oct 3, 2016

GreatMarch said:
I actually saw that play and I think Stoops and ultimately the officials got the grounding call correct. Kenny Hill had dropped back and was in the pocket when the pressure got to him. He turned to his right where he thought his outlet out of the backfield might be and threw a pass about 5 to 8 yards beyond the line of scrimmage where no TCU player was within 15 yards of where the pass had landed. His outlet was busy trying to take on a DE and never released for a pass route and I believe the Ref behind the line was too occupied on the pocket and OLine play to pick up where the ball landed in relation to an eligible receiver. The Head Linesman and Umpire seemed to be the officials who told the ref about the intentional grounding. The Ref even got the spot right on the pass attempt as Intentional Grounding is a spot foul from the point of release of the pass with no yardage mark off and a loss of down.

But they also said the rule was that the defensive contact automatically made it an incomplete pass, similar to a tipped ball means no pass interference

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GreatMarch · Oct 3, 2016

tattooguy21 said:
But they also said the rule was that the defensive contact automatically made it an incomplete pass, similar to a tipped ball means no pass interference

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The defensive contact did not force the throw to go into the area that the pass was thrown and landed. Hill turned and under heavy pressure threw the ball away into that area where there was no one from TCU within 20 yards.

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