How effective Alabama's screen passes/jet sweeps were at Ole Miss

dtgreg · Sep 20, 2016

TideEngineer08 said:
If any of you follow Cole Cubelic on Twitter, he has a fantastic video explanation of the play.

Pinned tweet at top of feed. It's pretty good.

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bamacon · Sep 21, 2016

Isn't funny how some people seem to know more than a coach with 5 National Championships and is making 8 million dollars a year? I shake my head sometimes but I also assume what is being done is for a reason.

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capnfrog · Sep 21, 2016

ALA2262 said:
I kept complaining about the jet sweep. My Son-in-law said they were setting something up. Everything they do has a purpose. :biggrin:

I agree, almost every play has a purpose. I was thinking, that was a bad or busted play but in reality it was by design. Coach Kiffin is light years ahead of most other OC's. I would only be mildly surprised if Sarkisian joining Coach Kiffin was orchestrated to a point, especially if he got wind that his hot seat was red hot.

Snuffy Smith · Sep 21, 2016

TideEngineer08 said:
If any of you follow Cole Cubelic on Twitter, he has a fantastic video explanation of the play.

Cole does a good job of analyzing blocking and line play. His radio show is a bit too "barn-centric" for my taste but I guess the station up here in HSV has to keep the balance with him in the morning drive time & Wes in the evening.

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81usaf92 · Sep 21, 2016

bamacon said:
Isn't funny how some people seem to know more than a coach with 5 National Championships and is making 8 million dollars a year? I shake my head sometimes but I also assume what is being done is for a reason.

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No kidding.

I think it's funny how after a 3-0 start with a TF qb we still have people whining

TideEngineer08 · Sep 21, 2016

bamacon said:
Isn't funny how some people seem to know more than a coach with 5 National Championships and is making 8 million dollars a year? I shake my head sometimes but I also assume what is being done is for a reason.

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Yeah. I admit to being critical when in reality I have less knowledge than most on this board, and much less than the Alabama staff. Kiffin is so much easier to get mad at, I guess, but in reality he is one of the best. Coach Saban would never have hired him otherwise.

Snuffy Smith said:
Cole does a good job of analyzing blocking and line play. His radio show is a bit too "barn-centric" for my taste but I guess the station up here in HSV has to keep the balance with him in the morning drive time & Wes in the evening.

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Well, he is a barner. But as former Auburn players go, he has always seemed level headed in his analysis of Alabama.

rgw · Sep 21, 2016

Lane Kiffin is inflicted with the "punch-able face" disease. There is just something about that guy which makes people at a subconscious level want to hate him.

TIDE-HSV · Sep 21, 2016

rgw said:
Lane Kiffin is inflicted with the "punch-able face" disease. There is just something about that guy which makes people at a subconscious level want to hate him.

In German, there's a unique name for it - "Backpfeifengesicht."

RammerJammer14 · Sep 21, 2016

capnfrog said:
I agree, almost every play has a purpose. I was thinking, that was a bad or busted play but in reality it was by design. Coach Kiffin is light years ahead of most other OC's. I would only be mildly surprised if Sarkisian joining Coach Kiffin was orchestrated to a point, especially if he got wind that his hot seat was red hot.

I don't think they were designed to consistently lose 0-5yds per play to lure the defense into a false sense of security.

Kiffin is just an OC. He is a good OC who is great at developing QBs and knows how to use his talent for the most part. But let's not get carried away and act like he is some all knowing mastermind who is secretly revolutionizing football as we know it.

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81usaf92 · Sep 21, 2016

RammerJammer14 said:
I don't think they were designed to consistently lose 0-5yds per play to lure the defense into a false sense of security.

Kiffin is just an OC. He is a good OC who is great at developing QBs and knows how to use his talent for the most part. But let's not get carried away and act like he is some all knowing mastermind who is secretly revolutionizing football as we know it.

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Back to back SEC championships with two 1st year starters has to account for something. I don't think he is Steve spurrier 2.0, but you are going to have a very short list of possible next comers that are worthy of the comparison, and Kiffin is firmly on that list.

AlexanderFan · Sep 21, 2016

tidefanbeezer said:
I think that would interesting. See the post above this one. For me, there is a disconnect - if the off tackle and the jet/screen both cause safety creep, why not take the one that yields more yards and moves the safeties up?

My crude analysis doesn't take into account the pre-snap motion. Will be interesting to see if you find that motion helped/hurt the running game.

Hurts was less than accurate downfield Saturday. His spiral was off on several throws and that would directly affect downfield passing.

I'm thinking a lot of our runs had that jet sweep window dressing, and the effective runs in the second half sure did.

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RammerJammer14 · Sep 21, 2016

81usaf92 said:
Back to back SEC championships with two 1st year starters has to account for something. I don't think he is Steve spurrier 2.0, but you are going to have a very short list of possible next comers that are worthy of the comparison, and Kiffin is firmly on that list.

And one of our most dominant NC teams was OC'd by Nuss. A whole lot more went into those back-to-back SEC championships than a great O.

I'm not saying Kiffin isn't a great OC. He certainly is, and is arguably our best under Saban. But he is not some offensive savant just because Saban said they had planned to run some jet sweeps against Ole Miss.

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B1GTide · Sep 21, 2016

rgw said:
Lane Kiffin is inflicted with the "punch-able face" disease. There is just something about that guy which makes people at a subconscious level want to hate him.

Urban Meyer also has that same "smirky" look that seems to condescend to everyone on the planet.

dvldog · Sep 21, 2016

B1GTide said:
Urban Meyer also has that same "smirky" look that seems to condescend to everyone on the planet.

Well Lane is OUR condescending so and so. Therefore, we tolerate him. Urban is yours and we been despising him for a while now.

Bamabuzzard · Sep 21, 2016

RammerJammer14 said:
I don't think they were designed to consistently lose 0-5yds per play to lure the defense into a false sense of security.

Kiffin is just an OC. He is a good OC who is great at developing QBs and knows how to use his talent for the most part. But let's not get carried away and act like he is some all knowing mastermind who is secretly revolutionizing football as we know it.

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All plays are designed and called to gain yards. But it doesn't mean it doesn't accomplish other purposes, even when they lose yards. I'll use a small scale example. I coached youth football for over five years. If a team ran a reverse on our defense it forced me, as the coach, to account for that in my defensive alignments going forward. Regardless if the actual play gained yards or not. Because if I didn't keep someone flanked out to the backside of the play. I knew the other coach would notice it and burn us for an easy TD the moment he didn't see us respect it. The reason I know that would happen is because there were times I didn't respect it and didn't align my defense for it and within a play or two they ran it and we got burnt for a long, easy TD. The same concept transfers to the college level.

Snuffy Smith · Sep 21, 2016

AlexanderFan said:
Hurts was less than accurate downfield Saturday. His spiral was off on several throws and that would directly affect downfield passing.

I'm thinking a lot of our runs had that jet sweep window dressing, and the effective runs in the second half sure did.

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Saban mentioned in one of the pressers that Hurts had sprained his thumb sometime in the first quarter. That could account for the wobbles. He has had some under-throw issues but I don't recall his first 2 games throwing that wobbly a pass.

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TIDE-HSV · Sep 21, 2016

AlexanderFan said:
Hurts was less than accurate downfield Saturday. His spiral was off on several throws and that would directly affect downfield passing.

I'm thinking a lot of our runs had that jet sweep window dressing, and the effective runs in the second half sure did.

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I'm mildly concerned about his hand size (NTTAWWT), after his loss of the ball. He looked to be gripping the ball pretty far back and that's one adaptation for it. Well, that and deflating the ball a bit...

TiderJack · Sep 21, 2016

TIDE-HSV said:
I'm mildly concerned about his hand size (NTTAWWT), after his loss of the ball. He looked to be gripping the ball pretty far back and that's one adaptation for it. Well, that and deflating the ball a bit...

I have not checked out his hand size but Danielson said Jalen creates a lot of torque with the way his throwing motion whips his arm when he is trying to throw a hard or deep ball. Along with the heat and humidity creating a lot of moisture I can buy this.

In response to AlexanderFan, most of his non tight spiral balls are on the throws he takes a little off on intermediate routes.

TIDE-HSV · Sep 21, 2016

TiderJ said:
I have not checked out his hand size but Danielson said Jalen creates a lot of torque with the way his throwing motion whips his arm when he is trying to throw a hard or deep ball. Along with the heat and humidity creating a lot of moisture I can buy this.

In response to AlexanderFan, most of his non tight spiral balls are on the throws he takes a little off on intermediate routes.

Also, the thumb issue might explain the ball loss event...

Sabanizer · Sep 21, 2016

TIDE-HSV said:
Also, the thumb issue might explain the ball loss event...

I looked at the Kelly/Allen pick 6 and it looked similar to me. Flew off his wrist. May be wrong. Moisture theory.

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