SOUTHERN CAL JOE McKNIGHT KILLED

Chukker Veteran said:

You say you're not defending the shooter then you go on to defend the shooter. If you think it is appropriate to sit in your car and gun a man standing next to it down we simply disagree. And when you start up with "standard protocol" is two or three shots center mass...good grief. The shooter should have been held in custody until cleared. Not the other way around, in my humble opinion.

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TERRYTOWN, La. -- Ronald Gasser was issued a summons 10 years ago after beating a man at a gas station near the same spot where he shot Joe McKnight on Thursday.
According to information released Friday evening by the Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office, Gasser was involved in an incident on Feb. 20, 2006, around 3:30 p.m. that began on Holiday Drive in New Orleans and ended in the service station at the intersection of Holmes Boulevard and Berhman Highway in Terrytown.

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selmaborntidefan said:

If that's what happened, I don't think there's a person here who disagrees with you.


But IS that what happened?

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Chukker Veteran said:

Yes, I seem to have described what they are now reporting did happen. It's odd I could dig through the reporting at the time to get the facts while others had trouble doing the same thing.

When I made my post, I had read that McKnight was standing next to the killer's car. And that three casing from the fired weapon were found inside the killer's car. That strongly suggested the killer gunned McKnight down when he was standing next to the killer's car.

Now there are stories out about how the killer seemed to be trolling for fights regarding his driving habits. I think it is awful the sheriff let the killer go home after the shooting. I hope the killer has to serve time.

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Normand described what happened Thursday afternoon: Gasser and McKnight had engaged in a lengthy back and forth for several blocks, one that may have begun when McKnight, driving his stepfather’s truck, cut off Gasser. The two engaged in a “verbal altercation” as they drove and eventually came to a red light. With Gasser’s car boxed in by traffic, McKnight exited the truck and approached Gasser’s vehicle. Normand did not say whether McKnight tried to open the door, but indicated that McKnight leaned down to talk to Gasser “eye to eye.” At some point, Gasser pulled a gun from the console and shot McKnight three times. McKnight was unarmed, although there was a gun in the truck.

“Let us not try to make this out to be something that it is not,” Normand said. “What we had were two adult males engaged in unacceptable behavior.”

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Chukker Veteran said:

He's charged with manslaughter. I think one element of that charge is that there wasn't an intent to kill.
But then I read back thru this thread, and poster after poster seemed to think 2 or 3 shots to the center of the body mass is the best way to stop an attacker. Or, in other words, the best way to kill. With three shots fired, I'm at a loss as to how someone would think he did not intend to kill the person he shot.

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cbi1972 said:

Exiting the vehicle is threatening behavior, not de-escalation.
I believe I would probably acquit, if I believed Normand's account to be factual.

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Chukker Veteran said:

He's charged with manslaughter. I think one element of that charge is that there wasn't an intent to kill.
But then I read back thru this thread, and poster after poster seemed to think 2 or 3 shots to the center of the body mass is the best way to stop an attacker. Or, in other words, the best way to kill. With three shots fired, I'm at a loss as to how someone would think he did not intend to kill the person he shot.

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dpainter68 said:

In most states they go by the reasonable man doctrine. If a reasonable person would feel that their life is at risk then they have the right to use deadly force to protect themselves. The attacker would have to have the opportunity, intent, and the means. In this situation, he had the opportunity (standing next to him). IF McKnight threatened Gasser, then he had the intent. The means is where it could get tricky if he wasn't armed (I read that he did have a gun in his vehicle - if he said I have a gun then Gasser could assume he meant on him - I'm just speculating here). One other possibility is if he felt that just the age/size/strength difference was enough to threaten his life or cause grave bodily harm. This would be called disparity of force.

As far as how many shots are fired I would recommmend looking into some police shooting videos and see how many rounds the human body can absorb and still function. YouTube is full of them. You would be amazed at how many shots the body can absorb and continue to fight. Regarding you other comment "the best way to kill"... you never shoot to kill. You shoot to stop the threat. There's a HUGE difference there. Once again, watch some videos.

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