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In 1974, everyone on my floor at Rose Tower hated 10RC, long before Fullmer. Always have, always will.
Yessir, same here. By the way, Rose Towers (torn down a few years ago) was really nice back then. Lived there part of '72.
 

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Yessir, same here. By the way, Rose Towers (torn down a few years ago) was really nice back then. Lived there part of '72.
I know, I watched a video of the explosion. We were on 8th floor with a good view of the barges on the Black Warrior. Good place to be in the day.


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Does anybody think Tennessee will ever be restored to their former glory???
 

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Does anybody think Tennessee will ever be restored to their former glory???
Careful. Many people asked that same question about us 10 years ago. Remember the comments of, "no coach worth anything would take the Bama job."

You get the right person, with the right vision, and everyone buying in, any red blood program can go on a great stretch.
 

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Careful. Many people asked that same question about us 10 years ago. Remember the comments of, "no coach worth anything would take the Bama job."

You get the right person, with the right vision, and everyone buying in, any red blood program can go on a great stretch.
Well I never said they couldn't. However unlike Alabama, Tennessee has not had any probation or scholarship limitations crippling their program yet they still have been in a black hole.
 

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Does anybody think Tennessee will ever be restored to their former glory???
I'm not saying it can't happen, because given the right coach and AD, it could.

They do have one problem that no true blue-blood program (other than Notre Dame) has...their home state simply doesn't play the quality of high school football necessary to sustain championship performance over time.

When Saban first came to Tuscaloosa, he locked down the state. Now, having firmly established the premier program in CFB, he cherry-picks Alabama's high schools and recruits nationwide.

Saban does it because he can. The arnge would do it because they have to. Big difference.
 

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Does anybody think Tennessee will ever be restored to their former glory???
I could happen. Tennessee is a rapidly growing state with a rabid fan base. It's the 17th most populous state and is a "football" state.

High school football, contrary to popular opinion, is very big in Tennessee. Locking down the state would be easy for a good football program. While there are not as many recruits in TN as AL there is no Auburn to compete with.

If Nick Saban decided to go to Knoxville, we'd be in trouble.
 

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Any program with money and strong fanbase support can become an elite power with the right coach. Absolutely no reason the right coach couldn't turn around Tennessee and make them National Title contenders.
 

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High school football, contrary to popular opinion, is very big in Tennessee. Locking down the state would be easy for a good football program. While there are not as many recruits in TN as AL there is no Auburn to compete with.
I've always heard, can't say if it's true or not, but part of UT's recruiting challenges are based on geography. Memphis and Nashville clearly have good HS football. The problem for UT is that Ole Miss, and Arkansas are far closer geographically, so they lose some recruits there. Historically Alabama recruited very well in Memphis. This success and bitterness over the success contributed to the Means situation. Nashville doesn't have quite the same challenge but Alabama has recruited well there also. My in-laws' view is that HS football in Knoxville is bad. All of this coupled with UT's recent struggles makes for a recruiting challenge.
 

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If they were to get a great up-and-comer as HC, they'd have to compete with the NFL to keep him. It's one aspect that getting Saban when we did was such a blessing.
 
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I've always heard, can't say if it's true or not, but part of UT's recruiting challenges are based on geography. Memphis and Nashville clearly have good HS football. The problem for UT is that Ole Miss, and Arkansas are far closer geographically, so they lose some recruits there. Historically Alabama recruited very well in Memphis. This success and bitterness over the success contributed to the Means situation. Nashville doesn't have quite the same challenge but Alabama has recruited well there also. My in-laws' view is that HS football in Knoxville is bad. All of this coupled with UT's recent struggles makes for a recruiting challenge.
Gallatin, Murfreesboro, Jackson, Chattanooga, Oak Ridge, Nashville, and Memphis all have high schools with good football programs year in and year out. The town I live in, Milan, has produced several good athletes one, Avery Williamson, plays linebacker for the Titans. But he went to Kentucky.

The point is if the Vols do lock down the state, recruit nationally with success, and hire the right coach, perennial success is not out of reach.

Personally, I think they're on the right track with Botch and should offer him a big raise and an extension.:wink:
 

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Does anybody think Tennessee will ever be restored to their former glory???
Don't keep up with all the latest machinations, but their entire athletic department has been in ruins, financially. Doubt our ol' buddy Dave Hart has solved that issue. Looking forward to more of the same, even with a new regime.
 

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UT appears to be condemned to college football hell or purgatory for the foreseeable future. Their current circumstances will only allow moderate success, and that only sporadically. They, along with 30 other programs, can become a power in cfb but first the BOT, pres, admin and athletic admin must become competent and get on the same page. Secondly, they have to find a great coach. Neither one of those requirements are easy. The first because so many entities are involved, the second because there are few great coaches.

Alabama lay in ruins primarily because of her own incompetence mixed with arrogance - a toxic mixture. This led to a perfect storm of naïveté, neglect, arrogance and incompetence at the high levels, as well as arrogance, incomptence, recklessness and corruption at the low levels (boosters and coaches), along with envy, jealousy, fear, hatred, corruption and petulance by her enemies and the NCAA, which resulted in long and crippling penalties with a malicious 10 year overhanging cloud.

Thus, humbled, Alabama become wise, leading to its recovery. The BOT hired the right Pres, who hired the right AD who got the physical infrastructure in place and ultimately hired the right coach. They paid him, got out of his way and gave him free rein. The boosters gave him the funds he needed and lessened their time demands, the fans gave unconditional and enthusiastic support. Alabama was also fortunate, very fortunate that the best fit and best coach in college football was available and wanted to come.

The reason almost no one else will be able to do what Bama s doing is that there is no one else like Nick Saban. That is the delimma that all other programs except a tiny few face. And even they will unlikely be able to match what this marriage made in heaven is producing. It's never been done before.

He is squeezing the life out of the SEC and making it much more difficult for any program in the SEC, including UT, to have any consistent national success.
 
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UT appears to be condemned to college football hell or purgatory for the foreseeable future. Their current circumstances will only allow moderate success, and that only sporadically. They, along with 30 other programs, can become a power in cfb but first the BOT, pres, admin and athletic admin must become competent and get on the same page. Secondly, they have to find a great coach. Neither one of those requirements are easy. The first because so many entities are involved, the second because there are few great coaches.

Alabama lay in ruins primarily because of her own incompetence mixed with arrogance - a toxic mixture. This led to a perfect storm of naïveté, neglect, arrogance and incompetence at the high levels, as well as arrogance, incomptence, recklessness and corruption at the low levels (boosters and coaches), along with envy, jealousy, fear, hatred, corruption and petulance by her enemies and the NCAA, which resulted in long and crippling penalties with a malicious 10 year overhanging cloud.

Thus, humbled, Alabama become wise, leading to its recovery. The BOT hired the right Pres, who hired the right AD who got the physical infrastructure in place and ultimately hired the right coach. They paid him, got out of his way and gave him free rein. The boosters gave him the funds he needed and lessened their time demands, the fans gave unconditional and enthusiastic support. Alabama was also fortunate, very fortunate that the best fit and best coach in college football was available and wanted to come.

The reason almost no one else will be able to do what Bama s doing is that there is no one else like Nick Saban. That is the delimma that all other programs except a tiny few face. And even they will unlikely be able to match what this marriage made in heaven is producing. It's never been done before.

He is squeezing the life out of the SEC and making it much more difficult for any program in the SEC, including UT, to have any consistent national success.
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UT appears to be condemned to college football hell or purgatory for the foreseeable future. Their current circumstances will only allow moderate success, and that only sporadically. They, along with 30 other programs, can become a power in cfb but first the BOT, pres, admin and athletic admin must become competent and get on the same page. Secondly, they have to find a great coach. Neither one of those requirements are easy. The first because so many entities are involved, the second because there are few great coaches.

Alabama lay in ruins primarily because of her own incompetence mixed with arrogance - a toxic mixture. This led to a perfect storm of naïveté, neglect, arrogance and incompetence at the high levels, as well as arrogance, incomptence, recklessness and corruption at the low levels (boosters and coaches), along with envy, jealousy, fear, hatred, corruption and petulance by her enemies and the NCAA, which resulted in long and crippling penalties with a malicious 10 year overhanging cloud.

Thus, humbled, Alabama become wise, leading to its recovery. The BOT hired the right Pres, who hired the right AD who got the physical infrastructure in place and ultimately hired the right coach. They paid him, got out of his way and gave him free rein. The boosters gave him the funds he needed and lessened their time demands, the fans gave unconditional and enthusiastic support. Alabama was also fortunate, very fortunate that the best fit and best coach in college football was available and wanted to come.

The reason almost no one else will be able to do what Bama s doing is that there is no one else like Nick Saban. That is the delimma that all other programs except a tiny few face. And even they will unlikely be able to match what this marriage made in heaven is producing. It's never been done before.

He is squeezing the life out of the SEC and making it much more difficult for any program in the SEC, including UT, to have any consistent national success.
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