You Make the Call - Oct. 24

tidehawk · Oct 24, 2006

Here is one that is a little more tricky. Pay attention...

The qb for Gold throws an interception in Blue's end zone. The Blue player tries to advance the ball out of the end zone but is downed there. While the Blue player is trying to run the ball out of the end zone, another player for Blue clips at his own 3 yard line.

1 - Is this a safety or not?

2 - If not a safety, where would the ball be placed for Blue?

talisitider · Oct 24, 2006

If it is decided that he made an attempt to come out of the endzone, but is downed there (I'm assuming you mean Gold tackles Blue) it should be a safety regardless of whether or not the clip took place.

bamajake · Oct 24, 2006

This could be an interesting discussion. I will wait to see what some of the others say before I post my answer.

KanBama · Oct 24, 2006

tidehawk said:
Here is one that is a little more tricky. Pay attention...

The qb for Gold throws an interception in Blue's end zone. The Blue player tries to advance the ball out of the end zone but is downed there. While the Blue player is trying to run the ball out of the end zone, another player for Blue clips at his own 3 yard line.

1 - Is this a safety or not?

2 - If not a safety, where would the ball be placed for Blue?

If the clip happened before he was downed,which we asume he was or you would not have done this;then the ball is placed on the 1 1/2 yard line and it is 1&10 for Blue. It can not be a Safety since Team Blue was not on Offence to at the start of the play and Team Gold is not going to give Team Blue the ball at the 20.

alatider · Oct 24, 2006

The way I see it....Blue gets the ball at it's own 10 yard line.

Because the Blue player was downed in the end zone, it is a touch back.
Normally the ball would be put into play at the Blue's own 20, but the clipping penalty puts it half the distance to the goal, or at it's own 10 yard line. First down and 20.

bamajake · Oct 24, 2006

Alatider and KanBama, you are both thinking along the right lines.

bamatex82 · Oct 24, 2006

alatider said:
The way I see it....Blue gets the ball at it's own 10 yard line.

Because the Blue player was downed in the end zone, it is a touch back.
Normally the ball would be put into play at the Blue's own 20, but the clipping penalty puts it half the distance to the goal, or at it's own 10 yard line. First down and 20.

This would be my answer, althought bamajake's comments seems to indicate that this is not completely right.

TideHead · Oct 24, 2006

alatider said:
The way I see it....Blue gets the ball at it's own 10 yard line.

Because the Blue player was downed in the end zone, it is a touch back.
Normally the ball would be put into play at the Blue's own 20, but the clipping penalty puts it half the distance to the goal, or at it's own 10 yard line. First down and 20.

I agree except I am going to say first and ten rather than first and 20 (with the line to gain being the 20 yard line).

bamajake · Oct 25, 2006

OK guys, here it is. KanBama got the right result. First and 10 Blue at the 1 1/2. The fact that the Blue player tried to run the ball out of the end zone does not make it a safety. It is not a safety because Blue is not the team that put the ball in the end zone. It would only be a safety if Blue had caused the ball to go into the end zone and it was downed there in their possession. As a result, it is a touchback.

The penalty is from the spot of the foul because a team is penalized from the spot of the foul if the foul occurs behind the "basic spot." In the case of a touchback, the basic spot is the 20 yard line. Since the foul was on the 3, that is where the penalty is marked from.

Note: If the clip had occurred after the player was downed in the end zone, it would be a dead ball foul and would be penalized from the succeeding spot, i.e., the 20. It would then be first and 10 from the 10.

tidehawk · Oct 25, 2006

bamajake said:
The penalty is from the spot of the foul because a team is penalized from the spot of the foul if the foul occurs behind the "basic spot." In the case of a touchback, the basic spot is the 20 yard line. Since the foul was on the 3, that is where the penalty is marked from.

Ah, the dreaded "all but one" principle.

Y'all are getting good at thinking these situations out!

bamajake · Oct 25, 2006

And the folks in the stands thought that we just made this all up as it happened.

bamatex82 · Oct 25, 2006

Okay then, what would have happen if the clipp had occured in the end zone? Since it is a spot foul would it make it a safety?

KanBama · Oct 26, 2006

All right I got one right for a change.:biggrin2: :biggrin2: :biggrin2: :biggrin2:

bamajake · Oct 26, 2006

I think you do pretty well KanBama.

Bamatex, in the situation you described, it would, in fact, be a safety.

tidehawk · Oct 27, 2006

tex, since the foul you describe is a spot foul, it would be a safety.

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