I'm doubt highly that they would go undefeated.....but my question is.....if they had to play the Georgia, Florida, LSU, Tenn, AU, Ole Miss, USC, Vandy and the like.....would they be blowing out every team and would they have the same "pass efficiency" here? What are your opinions?
Mizzou and playing in the SEC
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what kind of question is that, of course they wouldn't. I have one question about big 12 offenses and all the great QB's in the league, how do the receivers get so wide open , seems every pass is uncontested.
The SEC and Big 12 is very equal this year. Lets compare.
Big 12:
Top 6:
Oklahoma, Texas, Missouri, Texas Tech, Oklahoma St, Kansas
Bottom 6:
Kansas St, Colorado, Nebraska, Iowa St, Baylor, Texas A&M
SEC:
Top 6:
Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Florida, Vanderbilt, Kentucky
Bottom 6:
Auburn, South Carolina, Ole Miss, Arkansas, Miss St, Tennessee
Here's how it would play out on a neutral field amongst the Top 6: (in my opinion)
Oklahoma/Bama - Oklahoma (Very Close)
LSU/Texas - Texas (Very Close)
Missouri/Georgia - Georgia (Close)
Florida/Texas Tech - Florida (Close)
Oklahoma St/Vanderbilt - Oklahoma St.(Not so Close)
Kansas/Kentucky - Kentucky(Close)
The Bottom 6 could go either way.
So the SEC could be 12-0 or 0-12 against the Big 12, and the Big 12 could be 12-0 or 0-12 against the SEC.
Both conferences are pretty much dead even this year. Neither has the advantage
Big 12:
Top 6:
Oklahoma, Texas, Missouri, Texas Tech, Oklahoma St, Kansas
Bottom 6:
Kansas St, Colorado, Nebraska, Iowa St, Baylor, Texas A&M
SEC:
Top 6:
Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Florida, Vanderbilt, Kentucky
Bottom 6:
Auburn, South Carolina, Ole Miss, Arkansas, Miss St, Tennessee
Here's how it would play out on a neutral field amongst the Top 6: (in my opinion)
Oklahoma/Bama - Oklahoma (Very Close)
LSU/Texas - Texas (Very Close)
Missouri/Georgia - Georgia (Close)
Florida/Texas Tech - Florida (Close)
Oklahoma St/Vanderbilt - Oklahoma St.(Not so Close)
Kansas/Kentucky - Kentucky(Close)
The Bottom 6 could go either way.
So the SEC could be 12-0 or 0-12 against the Big 12, and the Big 12 could be 12-0 or 0-12 against the SEC.
Both conferences are pretty much dead even this year. Neither has the advantage
with the D-backs in the SEC they would wind up throwing so many pics with that wide open offense that they would be benched
like the other thread you have to be able to run at least somewhat effectively or you get shut down, you have to be able to pass a little to open up the run, and you have to be able to run some to open up the pass
Bama's Def has been doing great at getting pics in the SEC imagine what they could do against a team sold out to the pass, where they did not have to worry about the run
like the other thread you have to be able to run at least somewhat effectively or you get shut down, you have to be able to pass a little to open up the run, and you have to be able to run some to open up the pass
Bama's Def has been doing great at getting pics in the SEC imagine what they could do against a team sold out to the pass, where they did not have to worry about the run
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I don't think Mizzou would fare well, week in and week out, against the defenses in the SEC. Additionally, I think teams like Alabama and LSU would ground out yards on the ground - burning large chunks of the clock - and frustrate Mizzou's offense that way, too.
The Big 12 is very good this year. However, the defenses in the Big 12 are not of the same caliber as those in the SEC. Mizzou would likely be an 8-4 or 9-3 team this season in the SEC. Chase Daniel is a fine QB, but I don't see him being as effective against the SEC.
Pretty good breakdown, I pretty much agree. Overall the SEC might have an edge defensively and the Big 12 the edge offensively.
That is a completely hypothetical breakdown. You can't say that their high powered offenses would work against an SEC team and you can't say an SEC team could stop a high powered big 12 offense. NONE of the Big 12 have played (yet) a team that lends creability to them being considered a great team. OU toughest test was a 35-10 win over TCU. Ours was a 41-30 beatdown of #3 UGA or was it the slaughter 34-10 of #9 Clemson. So to think that OU could beat Bama stictly cause they score alot against lower level teams is insulting to the accomplishments we have made against strong competition.
In the Big 12 it's a 15 yard delay of game penalty against the defense if the opposing offense doesn't score in two minutes or less.
It's a pass interference penalty if you sack the QB before he can throw the pass.
The ground or a defensive player can not cause a fumble.
Holding is when a defensive player doesn't release the ball carrier before he is tackled.
Illegal man downfield is when a defensive lineman penetrates the line of scrimmage.
and Unnecessary Roughness is when a defensive player actually completes a tackle.
In other words.....they just don't play defense in the Big 12. It's entertaining football and great offensive football.... but to win championships you have to play defense. SEC teams play defense. SEC teams win national championships.
alasippi
It's a pass interference penalty if you sack the QB before he can throw the pass.
The ground or a defensive player can not cause a fumble.
Holding is when a defensive player doesn't release the ball carrier before he is tackled.
Illegal man downfield is when a defensive lineman penetrates the line of scrimmage.
and Unnecessary Roughness is when a defensive player actually completes a tackle.
In other words.....they just don't play defense in the Big 12. It's entertaining football and great offensive football.... but to win championships you have to play defense. SEC teams play defense. SEC teams win national championships.
alasippi
Daniel is a great College QB but Mizzou is weak up front and in the secondary.They will get exposed against physical teams like Texas and if they play OU in the Big 12 championship.Look at the numbers Juice Williams put up against their D.Imagine Sam Bradford or Colt McCoy against the Mizzou D.It's not going to be pretty.
If you need any evidence to confirm that just watch some high lights from OK vs. Baylor this past weekend. It was just ridiculous.
MO has played cream puffs thus far. Now they begin play in a notoriously impotent B12N Div. They won't get a test til they play OK or perhaps TX for B12 Championship. '08 is pretty much a replay of '07 except they had the scheduling misfortune of playing B12S OK mid-season and got wacked. Then played them a second time and got wached again...soundly. Might get a test against OKSt but doubt it. Then will coast through season till B12 Championship. That said, IMO Daniel is the best sub 5' 11" QB in the country...
Except take a look at who you have in the SEC bottom 6. I agree that the top six would most likely produce a 3-3 split, the SEC bottom 6 would almost be a certain 6-0. It is the depth in the SEC that makes it the toughest conference.
Colorado/Auburn- Auburn easily
Nebraska/Tenn- Tenn.- Nebraska might not score a point
Kansas St./South Carolina- SC
Texas A&M/Arkansas-Arkansas in a really crappy shootout
Baylor/Ole Miss-Ole Miss too much speed
Iowa St./Miss St.- tossup but ill take Miss ST.'s D
That is a definite truth...where it gets skewed by analysts is in the offensive rankings. The SEC has fine offenses they just play harder defenses. The Big 12 does probably hold an offensive edge though.
Does anybody have an idea where we might find a "strength of schedule" listing of the leaders in the two conferences? To me that would be a good yardstick for settling the point.
The question isn't whether or not Mizzou can hold up in the SEC. The question is whether or not they can do it in the Big 12. Their opponents and scores thus far.......
No. 20 Illinois W 52-42
September 6 Southeast Missouri State W 52-3
September 13 Nevada W 69-17
September 20 Buffalo W 42-21
October 4 at Nebraska W 52-17
The only Big 12 opponent to date is a Nebraska team that gave up 76 points to Kansas last year, so Mizzou's win there is hardly indicative of anything.
It does seem evident to me that the Tigers will score some points though. What remains unclear is whether or not their defense can do anything against a good team like Texas, as they don't play Oklahoma or Texas Tech in the regular season this year. The 42 points they gave up to Illinois doesn't indicate that they can.
No. 20 Illinois W 52-42
September 6 Southeast Missouri State W 52-3
September 13 Nevada W 69-17
September 20 Buffalo W 42-21
October 4 at Nebraska W 52-17
The only Big 12 opponent to date is a Nebraska team that gave up 76 points to Kansas last year, so Mizzou's win there is hardly indicative of anything.
It does seem evident to me that the Tigers will score some points though. What remains unclear is whether or not their defense can do anything against a good team like Texas, as they don't play Oklahoma or Texas Tech in the regular season this year. The 42 points they gave up to Illinois doesn't indicate that they can.
Coach Bryant always said that good defense is the surest way to win and that's good enough for me. The 93 Sugar Bowl is a great example of that theory. :biggrin:
http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/polls/119
This lists SoS to date:
Bama - 28
Georgia - 5
LSU - 103
Vandy - 34
Kentucky - 29
AVERAGE: 39.2
Oklahoma - 27
Missouri - 4
Texas - 58
OK St - 106
Kansas - 64
AVERAGE: 51.8
Fairly even to this point....
For CBS to rank Missouri's SOS #4 vs. Bama's #28 should tell you all you need to know about those idiots. Come on, that's so far off, it's making me think that moderator from AUTigers.com put that together.
Sagarin Ratings by Conference
But that's mostly just rating their non-conference SOS as the Big 12 only began conference play last week.
