Ohio State May Be Without Terrelle Pryor and Others Because Of Alleged Free Tattoos

[exiledNms]

Re: 5 Ohio St. Players (including Pryor) suspended for first 5 games of 2011

C'mon now...didn't everyone's Dad do the same sort ot discipline as this?

(on Christmas Eve)
"Aight, Son, that's it. I've told you a bunch of times not to sass your Mother, and you did. Thus, I'm going to spank you next August. That'll teach you, boy..."

 

[Tide Warrior]

Re: 5 Ohio St. Players (including Pryor) suspended for first 5 games of 2011

Actually this might hurt OSU more because without these 5 players especially Prior there is a good chance they will be 3-2 by the time they return. Not to mention most people thought Prior was coming back to help win the NCG next year and would be the front runner for the Heisman. Neither will happen now. All 5 can enter the draft. My money is Prior is now gone and maybe a few more of them. Not the ruling I would prefer but OSU might end up getting into any bowl next year because of this ruling.

 

[RJ YellowHammer]

Re: 5 Ohio St. Players (including Pryor) suspended for first 5 games of 2011

Hot Corner: If the NCAA asks, just say you didn't know | al.com

On Thursday, the NCAA ruled that five Ohio State players can play in the Sugar Bowl despite selling championship rings, jerseys and awards and receiving improper benefits from a tattoo parlor.


And all because the NCAA says "student-athletes did not receive adequate rules education during the time period the violations occurred." Which can be loosely translated as "ignorance of the law is a solid defense."


College athletics seems to be teetering on the brink of a period of lawlessness unlike any since the Wild West was being settled. In which athletes and their representatives can buy, sell and trade with impunity -- as long as they claim they didn't know any better.

So let me get this straight. As long as we don't have the compliance staff inform the players of the rules, we get away with it?

Is the NCAA's goal to be the punchline to a bad joke?

 

[RJ YellowHammer]

Re: 5 Ohio St. Players (including Pryor) suspended for first 5 games of 2011

NCAA suspensions of Terrelle Pryor and four other Ohio State Buckeyes a sign of the times - ESPN

Add Pat Forde to the list of media members miffed at the NCAA.

So there you have it, future NCAA rules breakers of America (and your parents). Go for the gold. When you get caught, shrug and say, "Why, I had no idea." Blame it on your dad and/or a negligent compliance staff at your university.

Q: When is a rule not a rule?

A: When the NCAA makes the rule.

 

[Mystical]

Re: 5 Ohio St. Players (including Pryor) suspended for first 5 games of 2011

Something I did not realize until after reading in depth is that these guys sold items that were theirs. I can possible see how they may not have known since in their minds the items were legally theirs to do with as they pleased. The bad part about it is that they thought so little of these items that they would sell them. Think about how precious a championship ring is. Now I know I can never compare my situation to some kid who grew up in poverty or who's parents just lost their jobs because of the economy, but I would eat beans all day before I sold a ring I won at Alabama. Sounds good saying you did it to help your mom but if things are that bad than they should be trying to go pro any way.

 

[bama579]

Re: 5 Ohio St. Players (including Pryor) suspended for first 5 games of 2011

can't we just hang a few ncaa higher ups and bring respectability back to the organization?

You'll need a LARGE tree and LOTS of rope.

 

[Tide Warrior]

Re: 5 Ohio St. Players (including Pryor) suspended for first 5 games of 2011

Something I did not realize until after reading in depth is that these guys sold items that were theirs. I can possible see how they may not have known since in their minds the items were legally theirs to do with as they pleased. The bad part about it is that they thought so little of these items that they would sell them. Think about how precious a championship ring is. Now I know I can never compare my situation to some kid who grew up in poverty or who's parents just lost their jobs because of the economy, but I would eat beans all day before I sold a ring I won at Alabama. Sounds good saying you did it to help your mom but if things are that bad than they should be trying to go pro any way.

No different than AJ Green selling his autograph jersey. What gets me about Pryor though is you can not find many photos of him without a helmet that his diamond stud earrings are sparkling and the rest of the jewelry he wears. I guess bling bling before food for mama.

 

[BamaFanInTally]

Comparing the ruling with OSU's players to that of Cam Newton, one thought emerges. Maybe OSU boosters should have sent a really NICE early Christmas present to those investigators in Indianapolis. I'm sure Bobby Lowder could give them a few pointers.

 

[bnhonest]

I just think the NCAA has set themselves a bad precedent with the Cam Newton deal. But as precedents go, they have to be followed. Right?

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I'm just curious....is it still TEN yards you have to get for a first down? Or will the NCAA be changing that depending upon which team has the ball?

I've been adamantly AGAINST Congress getting involved in college football; I'm not so sure now that they don't have a legitimate reason to investigate the inconsistency with which the NCAA selectively applies its rules.

Here's a funny one for you that will bring back old memories: when the NCAA sanctioned Auburn for the Eric Ramsey tapes back in the 1990s, they noted "Auburn enjoyed no competitive advantage" from the playing of an ineligible player (who was, in fact, drafted in the NFL draft). Yet Auburn went 7-4 and won the Freedom Bowl that year against Trent Green's Indiana team. When Alabama paid Albert Means (a colossal bust) and went 3-8, we somehow DID enjoy a competitive advantage.

I somehow think that if the NCAA urinated on my leg, they'd try to convince me it's raining.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I just think the NCAA has set themselves a bad precedent with the Cam Newton deal. But as precedents go, they have to be followed. Right?

Unless extenuating circumstances that will cost them money prevail.

 

[bamadp]

Re: 5 Ohio St. Players (including Pryor) suspended for first 5 games of 2011

Something I did not realize until after reading in depth is that these guys sold items that were theirs. I can possible see how they may not have known since in their minds the items were legally theirs to do with as they pleased. The bad part about it is that they thought so little of these items that they would sell them. Think about how precious a championship ring is. Now I know I can never compare my situation to some kid who grew up in poverty or who's parents just lost their jobs because of the economy, but I would eat beans all day before I sold a ring I won at Alabama. Sounds good saying you did it to help your mom but if things are that bad than they should be trying to go pro any way.

From what I understand, Pryor sold a ring, a sportsmanship award, and a pair of football pants and must repay $2500. Musta been a cheap ring. :wink:

I was under the impression that you couldn't profit from your status as a football star. $2500 for three items is not much profit. I wonder how they decided on a value of those three things, and then determined he got $2500 more than they were worth.

 

[RJ YellowHammer]

Re: 5 Ohio St. Players (including Pryor) suspended for first 5 games of 2011

From what I understand, Pryor sold a ring, a sportsmanship award, and a pair of football pants and must repay $2500. Musta been a cheap ring. :wink:

I was under the impression that you couldn't profit from your status as a football star. $2500 for three items is not much profit. I wonder how they decided on a value of those three things, and then determined he got $2500 more than they were worth.

He obtained those things by being a member of the football team, and only tOSU players could have the items in question. If he sold them for only a buck, he would've profited.

 

[twofbyc]

As much as I hate this decision, we do need to slow down a little bit. There is a NCAA clause that allows the reinstatement department to postpone a punishment in cases of bowl games/postseason play. So, really, the NCAA is following their rules in this situation. They're not making up this rule and then applying it.

However, I really don't understand that logic. It's basically saying that you can mess up, but not really feel the consequences until later on. Why not punish them now? They admitted to receiving benefits, but you're not going to punish them? Doesn't them receiving benefits take away the "amateur" status which the NCAA will hold onto so dearly? Of course it doesn't.

But then you don't say it's because "they didn't know" because that would be an excuse for not punishing them at all, a la fig. The NCAA has really crossed too far over the line of credibility for them to even matter anymore. The national media is having a field day with this, and I hope it continues until Congress gets involved and screws things up so bad colleges are FORCED to form another organization and let the NCAA die a slow and painful death.
And what if they all go pro? I know, it's a long shot, but if it happens there is no punishment at all for anybody. Is that what the NCAA is hoping?

 

[BamaFossil]

EXCEPT he conveniently forgot about Cam and Cecil and their SEC team, or maybe May thinks Auburn is in New York :biggrin: I channel surfed yesterday evening and it wasn't just Mark May, it was everyone I saw blasting the NCAA.

Actually, I don't think May forgot about Auburn. I suspect he's taking it as a "given" that Auburn will in due course be hammered by the NCAA. After all, they're SEC...

 

[bamadp]

Re: 5 Ohio St. Players (including Pryor) suspended for first 5 games of 2011

He obtained those things by being a member of the football team, and only tOSU players could have the items in question. If he sold them for only a buck, he would've profited.

I'm sure that's how the NCAA looks at it.

It would seem too me, in that case he profited when he got he ring. IOW it's ok for the school to give you a ring, that's not considered profiting, but swapping that ring for cash, no matter how much, is a no-no. I understand that the NCAA has rules, but they are practically impossible to enforce. I'd bet that much of swag players get from the myriad of bowls there are end up being hocked.

 

[RJ YellowHammer]

Re: 5 Ohio St. Players (including Pryor) suspended for first 5 games of 2011

I'm sure that's how the NCAA looks at it.

It would seem too me, in that case he profited when he got he ring. IOW it's ok for the school to give you a ring, that's not considered profiting, but swapping that ring for cash, no matter how much, is a no-no. I understand that the NCAA has rules, but they are practically impossible to enforce. I'd bet that much of swag players get from the myriad of bowls there are end up being hocked.

Until a couple of years ago, it wasn't against the rules to sell championship rings, bowl swag, etc. Then a bunch of Georgia's SEC Championship Rings wound up on Ebay, and the NCAA changed the rule.

The biggest problem is the type of people who buy the stuff from the players. It was an agent or a runner for an agent (I don't remember exactly) that bought AJ Green's bowl jersey.

 

[tidefanbeezer]

Re: 5 Ohio St. Players (including Pryor) suspended for first 5 games of 2011

I guess that this is another case of me not understanding how the NCAA works.

They received improper benefits, in the form of tattoos. The NCAA has stated that they are ineligible. However, they have to sit out they first 5 games of the 2011 season.

Why are they not sitting out the bowl game?

5 games out next year may not even affect Pryor, since he could possibly leave. It seems that including the bowl game in the games they have to sit would send a bigger message.

 

[buzzincuzzin]

Re: 5 Ohio St. Players (including Pryor) suspended for first 5 games of 2011

The NCAA doesn't even understand how the NCAA works. They were absolutely ripped on ESPN and OSU has the audacity to appeal next years five-game suspensions already. The SEC needs to lawyer up.

 

[Redwood Forrest]

Re: 5 Ohio St. Players (including Pryor) suspended for first 5 games of 2011

The NCAA doesn't even understand how the NCAA works. They were absolutely ripped on ESPN and OSU has the audacity to appeal next years five-game suspensions already. The SEC needs to lawyer up.

The USC fans are, of course, ticked off by this latest installment of the Cam rule. But they see a bright side, that maybe their appeal will have a better chance of doing them some good since everyone seems to be getting away with things since then. They could be right, who knows what will happen.

I have been wondering about the North Carolina case as well since the NCAA seems to have a problem with enforcing the rules now-a-days. Will N.C. get the "didn't know" treatment also? Again, who knows.