If Les never makes it back to a championship game let alone win one, these two may be looked at very similarly in the long run. Very similar situations
Who Is The Worst Coach To Win A National Title?
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I think there is a significant difference between Miles and Coker. Miles has won a title and kept his program in the hunt almost every year.
Coker won one and his teams got worse each year.
Les is a much better recruiter and coach than Coker ever was.
Well, I was going to argue with you about Ross, but then I looked at it.
In 18 seasons he had only 9 winning years. He had three straight losing seasons in
the ACC at two schools and his national title year was such an anomaly it could
be written off as something in the drinking water. Other than his 11-0-1 year,
his teams always lost at least 3 games a year. And did any of you see that
Chargers team that he took to the Super Bowl play?
I'm not trying to diss them, but they only beat Miami because Stoyanovich missed
a game-winning FG shot, and they only beat Pittsburgh because of one bomb to
Tony Martin and the fact Pittsburgh couldn't score with four shots inside the ten.
Oh, and they were the AFC rep back when the AFC ALWAYS lost the Super Bowl. Making
the Super Bowl as an AFC team between 1985-1996 didn't really mean very much. Denver
and Buffalo made it a combined seven times and went 0-7, and most of those years they
were no better than the 5th or 6th best teams, which means the gap between the top
and bottom in the AFC was a lot less.
I thought you were wrong about Ross, but you might be right.
Here are names I would consider:
Vince Dooley
Howard Schnellenberger
Bobby Ross
Lloyd Carr
Larry Coker
Nick Saban (Just seeing if you're paying attention)
I don't think Mack Brown qualifies nor does Holtz. Chizik has not been a coach long enough. He could
be another Jackie Sherrill. I don't think he will be but he could be.
I'm sorry, but you can scratch McCartney off that list. He took over a Colorado program in total shambles and
built them into a consistent Big Eight contender. His last year they only lost to national champion Nebraska, and
he left the program on solid footing. Neuheisel wasted it, but that's not McCartney's fault.
No, that's not a good comparison at all.
Shug Jordan coached for 25 years and had a .670 winning percentage. In 1957 there were SIX bowl games total. There were limits on who could go and how many teams in each conference and back then bowl games were more of glorified exhibitions than anything else. A decade later there were EIGHT. Jordan's last year as a coach there were 11, or less than 1/3 of the ridiculously high number of games we have nowadays.
You can say Jordan never won a major bowl, but the Sun Bowl was a whole lot more important in 1968 than in 1988. And he won three Gator Bowls (and if I wanted to be completely cruel I could point out Jordan had a 4-3 bowl record during the same time frame Coach Bryant was 0-7-1).
Was Shug Jordan an all-time great? Absolutely not. But he doesn't belong on the list of worst coaches to win a title, either. Unlike Gene Chizik, Shug Jordan followed up his national championship with an unbeaten season and a final ranking of #2. During a 20-year span (most of which he was second fiddle to CPB), Jordan had 18 winning seasons.
I'm sorry, but that's not even in the same zip code as Cheeze-nip.
Just perspective.
too soon to know on Chiz but it wouldn't shock me if he ended up as the winner here when all the results are in.
Good point. I may have been thinking that some of the Neuheisel years were McCartney years.
That's ok. I never can tell whether our coach was DuBose-Fran or Shula sometimes, LOL.
That's why I refer to our coaches as Stallings-Sanctions-Saban
Granted, but I'm referring to his football acumen since that is what I presume he is drawing upon when rendering an analysis. Now, that may or may not be quite a presumption on my part, but I'm comfortable with it. Heck, even "Peggy" doesn't believe in Granny.
Vince Dooley finished with a .715 career winning percentage. In the 24 years he coached he had 1 losing season and 3 seasons where he finished .500. If his coaching career had not coincided with Bryant being at Bama, he might have had a shot at another title. Is he the greatest coach of all time? No. But he doesn't belong on a list of worst coaches to win a title.
Lloyd Carr finished with a .755 career winning percentage and never won less than 7 games in a season (and that only happened once). Like Dooley, he's a very good coach and doesn't belong on this list.
Schnellenberger is a little different. I think he was a good coach, but he is not viewed as such since he coached some crappy programs. He did make the programs he coached better.
I have no arguments against Coker and Ross.
Saban is the second best coach to win at least 3 National Titles.
Ford followed his national title with eight winning seasons in nine years and SEVEN of those times they only lost ONE or TWO games. That's hardly an overrated coach - esp when you remember they were on probation when he got to Clemson due to Charley Pell. Ford should be eliminated from the list.
Majors might be a better possibility. His good years were sporadic, so I wouldn't argue against him being a possibility.
And I already covered Jordan, it's not him either.
Covered Dooley before. Subtract the Herschel Walker class from his resume and its pretty ordinary (deduct 1980-83).
Carr I admit I didn't check. I'm still mad at Woodson for winning the Heisman.
At that point, Miami recruited itself!
And the comparison I was making was someone else building the program up (Davis/Saban) and them riding out a boatload of success from that foundation only to win one championship.
Majors did it at Pitt, Ford at Clemson, Jordan in boogerville without a paid pro QB. These are not minor accomplishments
Erickson isn't the worst coach to win A national championship, but he is probably the worst coach to have won two.
He has consistently fielded the least disciplined teams of anyone mentioned in this thread...or anyone period.
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