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Who Is The Worst Coach To Win A National Title?

edwd58 said:
For me it has to be Holtz, and every football Saturday (and sometimes on Thursday) he goes nationwide and proves it.
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The last time Notre Dame was a relevant football power, Holtz was in charge.

And IMO, it's hard to say anybody who wins a national title is a terrible coach. I'm sure our rivals when asked the same question about Bama would throw Stallings in the mix because of what he did and didn't accomplish at other places, no matter the individual situations that came into play.

But to us Bama faithful, we love the guy.
 
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It's Larry Coker. Look at the talent he had at Miami that he wasted. His roster was littered with future Pro-Bowlers, Hall of Famers, All-Americans and he progressively got worse. Each year was worse than the previous. Here's his 6 year season by season:

12-0
12-1
11-2
9-3
9-3
7-6

He was just terrible. Who couldn't have won a National Title with that 2001 team?
 
Since it doesn't say just head coach, I might throw out Ted Roof as well. :)

Granted that opens a whole other can of worms.
 
I would love for someone to explain how Phil Fulmer is on this list...and "I don't like him" isn't doesn't count as an explanation.
 
hollisx4 said:
The last time Notre Dame was a relevant football power, Holtz was in charge.

And IMO, it's hard to say anybody who wins a national title is a terrible coach.<b> I'm sure our rivals when asked the same question about Bama would throw Stallings in the mix because of what he did and didn't accomplish at other places, no matter the individual situations that came into play.</b>

But to us Bama faithful, we love the guy.
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After researching for a while last night, I can agree with that. So I can't put Chizik on the list yet because the guy lost at Iowa St. (where most would lose), and hasn't had THAT long of a career yet. So the only logical choice I can see is Larry Coker.

Now I will tell you, after Alabama, Miami is one of those other teams I'll "Root For" . Butch Davis had built an absolute juggernaut, and Coker destroyed it. He had two amazing seasons, because the talent was so stacked at The U...but he couldn't recruit, coach, motivate, inspire, lead, or anything else at near the same level. He was a very mediocre coach.
 
BAMA1979 said:
I would love for someone to explain how Phil Fulmer is on this list...and "I don't like him" isn't doesn't count as an explanation.
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i dont think he should be on there cuz d mid to late 90s tennessee and florida were the SEC's perinial powers,but he did underacheive with peyton and foster.
 
81usaf92 said:
i dont think he should be on there cuz d mid to late 90s tennessee and florida were the SEC's perinial powers,but he did underacheive with peyton and foster.
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Foster underachieved all by himself... My brother-in-law is a UT fan, and they gave Foster the nickname "Fumbles" and would groan when he got the ball...
 
I definitely don't think that Lou Holtz or Phil Fulmer should even be in the discussion.

Lou Holtz's teams were contending for titles year in and year out at Notre Dame...and Arkansas for that matter. He was mediocre at South Carolina and he is a terrible analyst, but he was a great coach in his day.

And as for Fulmer, he was also contending year in and year out. He is a terrible human being and the scum of the earth, but I cannot deny that he was a great coach.

The winner is definitely Larry Coker. No doubt about it.

And it is funny that we are discussing this on the day after Tom Coughlin joined Mike Shanahan as the most mediocre head coach to ever win two NFL titles. :biggrin2:
 
cbi1972 said:
I don't think Chizik is better than Miles.
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In my opinion they're close which makes Miles the bigger flop. By keeping the wheels on what CNS left as long as he has, he somehow managed to create this image of a great coach who's just a little quirky. Hey it wouldn't be the first time that I am wrong, but I just think that this entire era under Miles will prove to be a mirage once some time has passed. That is if Miles stays around long enough for it to completely fall apart in his lap. Now keep this in mind, any of the guys that reach this level can coach the pants off any of us so let's not kid ourselves about that.
 
For those of you saying Miles... Coker took over a more talented and stocked program than Miles; as much as Miles' cupboard was stocked, Coker had arguably the most talent on one CFB roster in the modern era. His rivals were both down (UF was in the Zook era, and Bowden was in his descent), and yet by this time in Coker's tenure (year 7), he was unemployed and watching Miami struggle to even be competitive in the ACC. Miles was/is still competing for national championships.
People may think Miles isn't a great coach, but Coker was historically bad. He's pretty much the poster child for bringing down a major program without sanctions.
 
In fact, I cannot even think of someone who belongs in the same discussion as Coker. Coker is the only coach who won a championship while his team got worse every year he coached them. Who else can claim that?
 
I don't mind Fulmer being in the discussion. I don't think he's the right answer, but if we're just talking about BCS era, he's absolutely in the discussion.

Look at his years sans Peyton.

Peyton's first year UT was 1-3 without Peyton as a starting QB. They finished the year 8-4 once he was named starter.

With Peyton as his QB, Fulmer was 39-6. A winning percentage of 86.6%

Without him he was 113-46. A winning percentage of 71%

Fulmer was a good coach, don't get me wrong, heck he won his only National Title without Peyton.... but if we're simply going from the BCS era. Fulmer's gotta be in the bottom 3 along with Coker & Chizik.
 
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