Why Should ND Be Included In BCS Discussion?

[CHATTBRIT]

Notre Dame made the decision not to be in a conference. So why should they be included in the discussions concerning the BCS, why should they get special treatment? I mean there are other independents who don't get this consideration. Notre Dame has been insignificant football-wise for 30 years. They used to play a dynamite schedule but now they only play one or two significant games a year while playing all the academies except the the Coast Guard.

If Notre Dame gets it's stuff together and gets up in the top four in the polls, then fine. However, they should not be eligible for any BCS game until they are sufficiently high up in the polls. Don't allow them a sweetheart deal so they only have to go say 9 and 3 to get in such a game.

 

[califbamafan]

If Notre Dame doesn't join a conference they should have no say at all and shouldnot be allowed a BCS bid.They aren't very good and haven't been for a long time

 

[dadleyblane5]

Because "Rudy" played there...

 

[Crimsongator]

I've often wondered that myself.

 

[CapstoneGrad06]

When Notre Dame is good, college football is better for it. That being said, I'm not a fan of them being able to get to 9-3 and potentially make a BCS game. Heck, I'm not too keen on them getting to 10-2 on a soft schedule and making the field. However, I think Brian Kelly will have to back at some point. They have also scheduled a better set of games for the future. This fall alone they play Oklahoma, Miami, USC, Michigan, Michigan State, Stanford, and Navy in Dublin, Ireland. If they can mange 10 wins on that schedule, I see no reason they should be in the Fiesta or Sugar Bowl.

 

[tideinark]

Yep, I thought the same thing. It isn't 1995 anymore. They haven't been very relevant this last decade and lost something like 7 or 8 bowl games in a row after that.

Also, seems like 8 team playoff is an over-reaction. Expand to 4 at the most, baby steps.

 

[HartselleTider]

It's always been that way. Notre Dame has always had a different set of rules applied to them no matter the system.

There's nothing quite like all of these meetings that take place to discuss the viability of college football, and when they take role it consists of "BCS Conference Commissioners and Notre Dame AD, Jack Swarbrick"....

Notre Dame may not be quite the powerhouse of years gone by, and perhaps irrelevant in the landscape of championship caliber football... but one thing is for sure. The "brand" Notre Dame is certainly still relevant, and always will be.... especially with the academic standards they set for themselves.

The Irish are one of the few true blue-bloods in college football. They are on the Mt. Rushmore of college football royalty and I appreciate that.

I suppose I'd rather see the BCS make exceptions for a program like Notre Dame, who at least plays a decent schedule every year... as opposed to making changes to accomodate gimmicky programs like Boise for going undefeated beating up on programs who shouldn't even be playing D-1 college football.

 

[JIB]

I suppose I'd rather see the BCS make exceptions for a program like Notre Dame, who at least plays a decent schedule every year... as opposed to making changes to accomodate gimmicky programs like Boise for going undefeated beating up on programs who shouldn't even be playing D-1 college football.

I have more respect for Boise as a program now than I do for Notre Dame. Over the past 5 years they're a legit top 10 program. Notre isn't even in the top 25.

 

[HartselleTider]

I have more respect for Boise as a program now than I do for Notre Dame. Over the past 5 years they're a legit top 10 program. Notre isn't even in the top 25.

Nothing wrong with that. My point is that if exceptions and accomodations are going to be made (and make no mistake, they will always be made for somebody. That's college football...) I'd rather see it be made for a program like Notre Dame as opposed to Boise.

Miss. St. would be a top 10 program playing the schedule that Boise had played the past 5 years.

Furthermore, it's the hypocrisy of the Boise program that's annoying. Constantly complaining about the entire BCS system every year, and then running off to join a "BCS" conference.

 

[lbsportswriter]

Great post and thoughts here... I agree that Nutered Dame shouldn't get squat... They have been irrelevant for over 20 years....

 

[Rasputin]

Because "Rudy" played there...

Rudy was offsides...

 

[Tideflyer]

It's always been that way. Notre Dame has always had a different set of rules applied to them no matter the system.

There's nothing quite like all of these meetings that take place to discuss the viability of college football, and when they take role it consists of "BCS Conference Commissioners and Notre Dame AD, Jack Swarbrick"....

Notre Dame may not be quite the powerhouse of years gone by, and perhaps irrelevant in the landscape of championship caliber football... but one thing is for sure. The "brand" Notre Dame is certainly still relevant, and always will be.... especially with the academic standards they set for themselves.

The Irish are one of the few true blue-bloods in college football. They are on the Mt. Rushmore of college football royalty and I appreciate that.

I suppose I'd rather see the BCS make exceptions for a program like Notre Dame, who at least plays a decent schedule every year... as opposed to making changes to accomodate gimmicky programs like Boise for going undefeated beating up on programs who shouldn't even be playing D-1 college football.

Well said. This is exactly why. Whether one agrees or not, they have been, are, and will continue to be football royalty.

 

[TideEngineer08]

If we are going to make entrance into the plus 1 require a conference championship, as all of the conferences appear to want except the SEC, then Notre Dame should not be eligible for that. Even if they go 12-0.

That's just the plus 1 that I'm talking about. Not necessarily the rest of the BCS.

 

[rizolltizide]

Well said. This is exactly why. Whether one agrees or not, they have been, are, and will continue to be football royalty.

They have been and are, but they won't continue to be if they don't start winning again.

 

[AlexanderFan]

Because Catholics carry grudges.

 

[KrAzY3]

If we are going to make entrance into the plus 1 require a conference championship, as all of the conferences appear to want except the SEC, then Notre Dame should not be eligible for that. Even if they go 12-0.

That's just the plus 1 that I'm talking about. Not necessarily the rest of the BCS.

The conference championship requirement would make the BCS and atrocity. Only a mentally retarded person could think 1 vs 7 and 3 vs 5 is somehow an improvement on 1 vs 2.

So, why should Notre Dame be included? This is simple, because the process has an obligation to include the top teams. I've said for a while now, that the BCS should drop it's ties to the other bowls. The only goal should be putting 1 vs 2 into the championship game. If Notre Dame is 1 or 2, of course they belong in there! All the BCS needs is a release from the other bowls so 1 vs 2 can play and may be we can stop with the distractions that are irrelevant to the championship.

I can not and will not defend the rest of the BCS bowls but they are irrelevant to the BCS Championship game. They make the smoke screen that might bring us this odd number plus one that would be far, far, far worse than anything the BCS has currently produced. It's like saying oh, I see you have a dent in your car. Let me fix it with dynamite.

 

[TideEngineer08]

Apparently, the "only conference champions" and semi-finals hosted by higher ranked teams proposals are all but dead.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...-exploring-neutral-site-4-team-playoff-format

That is very encouraging.

 

[KrAzY3]

Apparently, the "only conference champions" and semi-finals hosted by higher ranked teams proposals are all but dead.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...-exploring-neutral-site-4-team-playoff-format

That is very encouraging.

I'm not a fan of a plus one, but I actually liked the notion of the higher seed hosting the home game. It actually rewards the teams for finishing higher, at least making #1 mean something (I still contend they shouldn't have to play #4 at all). Imagine, for instance that a #1 team has to play a #4 Georgia in Atlanta for example. I already showed where no #4 team in the history of the BCS has ever had a valid claim at #1, why should they have even a remote chance of basically playing what amounts to a home game?

Instead, because some college football teams have pathetic fanbases we have to change everything to cater to them. Why not just have a cut off point? Why not just say, you get the home game unless your stadium can't seat at least 60,000? That wouldn't be "fair" though, we have to lower the bar yet again...

 

[TideEngineer08]

I'm not a fan of a plus one, but I actually liked the notion of the higher seed hosting the home game. It actually rewards the teams for finishing higher, at least making #1 mean something (I still contend they shouldn't have to play #4 at all). Imagine, for instance that a #1 team has to play a #4 Georgia in Atlanta for example. I already showed where no #4 team in the history of the BCS has ever had a valid claim at #1, why should they have even a remote chance of basically playing what amounts to a home game?

Instead, because some college football teams have pathetic fanbases we have to change everything to cater to them. Why not just have a cut off point? Why not just say, you get the home game unless your stadium can't seat at least 60,000? That wouldn't be "fair" though, we have to lower the bar yet again...

If you're going to have a tournament, give each team an equal shot. It's a National Championship tournament after all. I don't like the idea of Alabama having to travel to Eugene, Oregon. Can you imagine the huge advantage that would give Oregon? And the fans... now the fans have to pick up and fly across the country and if the National Title game is next week in Miami, they are flying all the way back. That's a lot to have to ask of the fans. Of course, it could work out that way if the sites are neutral. But at least it's a more even shot.

Plus, the Big Ten and Pac 12 wanted that and I despise them so it's sort of personal.

By the way, I don't believe you could show that no #4 team has ever had a valid claim at #1. There have been several seasons that that was not the case.

 

[257WBY]

The Notre Dame thing has sure gotten old. I would much rather watch Boise compete instead of Notre Dame. ND still recruits well, but can't do much with the talent. We keep hearing "this is the year.." only to see them fail again.