First Playoff Poll Released (predictions - first 5 pages; analysis - page 6 - ???)

[tidegrandpa]

Re: Tonights the first Playoff Poll release. What's YOUR prediction.

Well, if we win out and Ole Miss wins the SEC, and Alabama is in the playoffs again, does that mean they'll have to create a NEW committee or just add more teams to the Playoffs?

We won't be in IMHO , TCU went from 4th to 5th the last week last year when OSU won the BIG 10, they could drop us out and replace with the big 12 winner. Just my opinion.

 

[BamaMoon]

Re: Tonights the first Playoff Poll release. What's YOUR prediction.

Well, if we win out and Ole Miss wins the SEC, and Alabama is in the playoffs again, does that mean they'll have to create a NEW committee or just add more teams to the Playoffs?

I think Ole Miss has to lose and Bama has to win the conference to get in.

Consider that the game that brought the play-off discussion to a tipping point: the LSU-Bama rematch.

I don't see any scenario in which the committee puts Alabama in if we don't make it to Atlanta. I think that as long as it's a 4 team race, the committee will choose 4 conference winners or a 1-loss Notre Dame before it chooses a 1-loss team that doesn't win it conference, for the very reason above. They will remember the outrage at a team that didn't win its conference won the national title. The committee will take the CYA route and pick only conference champions to avoid another outcome like 2011.

The committee could be messing with us OR they see Bama as one of the top 4 teams RIGHT now.

However, this type of controversy is exactly why it'll go to 8 teams sooner rather than later.

 

[bama2112]

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Can someone please explain to me me what a ND team would get into the finals if they have one loss and dont play a conference championship over a team like Bama that if we dont loose again and neither does Ole Miss we have the same record. They should be treated like any conference that doesnt have a championship and left out.

 

[snake plissken]

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In a twist of fate...we could make the play off if Ole Miss doesn't lose.

We might actually NEED them to beat a one loss Gator team in the SECCG.

Think about that...we keep winning and so does OM and then we sit out the SECCG and still get in the playoff.

Similar to 2011, but totally different!

If we don't win the SEC, we are out....Period! Someone has to beat Ole Miss.

 

[tidefanbeezer]

Re: Tonights the first Playoff Poll release. What's YOUR prediction.

The committee could be messing with us OR they see Bama as one of the top 4 teams RIGHT now.

However, this type of controversy is exactly why it'll go to 8 teams sooner rather than later.

I think you are correct about expansion. If the committee does pick a 1-loss non-conference winner over a 1-loss conference champion, there will be a push to move to 8 teams.

 

[CrimsonForce]

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If we don't win the SEC, we are out....Period! Someone has to beat Ole Miss.

Not true at all..

 

[crimsonaudio]

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Similar to 2011, but totally different!

This would also make heads explode - I love it!

 

[BamaMoon]

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If we don't win the SEC, we are out....POSSIBLY! Someone has to beat Ole Miss OR MAYBE NOT.

FIFY

 

[snake plissken]

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Not true at all..

Fact.......they are not going to take a non conference champ. They will take a 1 loss Florida SEC champ along with ACC, Big 10, and Pac 12 champ. They would also take whomever the Big 12 crowns conference champ over us.

 

[tidefanbeezer]

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Can someone please explain to me me what a ND team would get into the finals if they have one loss and dont play a conference championship over a team like Bama that if we dont loose again and neither does Ole Miss we have the same record. They should be treated like any conference that doesnt have a championship and left out.

In general, I think Notre Dame is helped out by its alliance with the ACC and its non-conference scheduling. They play USC and Temple and Navy are both having great seasons (both with only 1 loss - to Notre Dame). They still have a very good Stanford team to play. If they win out, I think not playing in a conference helps them this year. Good schedule, potentially having lost to only the top team (Clemsaon, assuming the stay undefeated), and no risk of losing a championship game.

You will probably find the committee more open to Notre Dame over 1-loss teams that don't with their conference. The committee has to endure less scrutiny if they don't have to answer why a team that didn't win its conference gets to be in the play-off.

In other years, the Golden Domers may find that having that extra game would have helped.

 

[BamaMoon]

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Fact.......they are not going to take a non conference champ. They will take a 1 loss Florida SEC champ along with ACC, Big 10, and Pac 12 champ. They would also take whomever the Big 12 crowns conference champ over us.

How can you say "fact" about your assumption?

Their putting Bama so far ahead of undefeated Big 12 teams tells us how they fill about that.

Anything can happen, but nobody can say their opinion is FACT right now...or ever!

 

[CrimsonForce]

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Fact.......they are not going to take a non conference champ. They will take a 1 loss Florida SEC champ along with ACC, Big 10, and Pac 12 champ. They would also take whomever the Big 12 crowns conference champ over us.

False. Notre Dame can easily make it and they won't be a conference champ. I think you're just trolling at this point..

 

[snake plissken]

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How can you say "fact" about your assumption?

Their putting Bama so far ahead of undefeated Big 12 teams tells us how they fill about that.

Anything can happen, but nobody can say their opinion is FACT right now...or ever!

That's because the BIG 12 is just about to get into the meat of their schedule. In 4 weeks they will have an equal SOS to ours, we're just ahead this week. This is not the polls, the rankings are very fluid from week to week. Let me ask you a question. What conference champ do you think they will leave out to allow an Alabama team in that didn't win their conference?

 

[alwayshavebeen]

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Can someone please explain to me me what a ND team would get into the finals if they have one loss and dont play a conference championship over a team like Bama that if we dont loose again and neither does Ole Miss we have the same record. They should be treated like any conference that doesnt have a championship and left out.

Notre Dame is like the Harlem Globe Trotters...They have talent and play inferior completion week after week.

 

[snake plissken]

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False. Notre Dame can easily make it and they won't be a conference champ. I think you're just trolling at this point..

Not trolling, just being realistic from what I saw last year. Notre Dame is not in a conference, so they are exempt. Serious question. What conference champ do you think the committee would leave out to take Bama if we don't win our conference?

 

[BamaMoon]

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That's because the BIG 12 is just about to get into the meat of their schedule. In 4 weeks they will have an equal SOS to ours, we're just ahead this week. This is not the polls, the rankings are very fluid from week to week. Let me ask you a question. What conference champ do you think they will leave out to allow an Alabama team in that didn't win their conference?

You are arguing that conference champs is a qualifier.

But since you asked, Big 12 or possibly ACC, if it's not Clemson.

 

[BAMARICH]

Strongly disagree with those believing Notre Dame or a one-lost Big 12 champ noses them ahead of Bama. Tonight's ranking is clear that the committee would take Bama over Notre Dame - and our remaining schedule (and potential wins) is stronger than their's. Due to a lack of conference affiliation, they would be 11-1 without a conference championship - just like us. Then, in the absence of common opponents, it comes down to the eye test. Surely there's no argument to be made that unless Bama wins horribly that the committee will take ND.

Regarding the Big 12 champ, the bottom line is that if there are multiple 11-1 teams left, the comparison for us is exact. The fact they call one of the two "champion" doesn't take away from the fact that there's two teams with one losses - and both end the year exactly as we would provided we don't make the SECCG.

Here's the hope for us... Ole Miss loss (duh), Stanford loses against ND and wins the Pac 10, Big 12 have two or more 11-1 teams at the end of the year. The Big 10 (undefeated champ) and ACC (undefeated/one-loss Clemson or one-loss FHU) will be in the playoff. That leaves the SEC, Pac 10, and Big 12 to fight it out for two spots. I DO think conference championships matter... but it was clear last year that not having a championship game to decide it makes a huge different.

 

[snake plissken]

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delete

 

[snake plissken]

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You are arguing that conference champs is a qualifier.

But since you asked, Big 12 or possibly ACC, if it's not Clemson.

I hope you're right

 

[TideEngineer08]

Yeah if a Big 12 team finishes undefeated they are in.

If Clemson finishes undefeated they are in.

If a Big Ten team finishes undefeated, they are in.

If LSU wins out, they are in.

Those are the only entities that control their own destiny at this point. Those of you that think tonight's ranking means anything for Alabama are sadly mistaken, I'm afraid. We need several things to fall into place besides us winning out.