How should an American Christian respond to ISIS?

[Displaced Bama Fan]

Of course they're not ALL bad. But if one terrorist makes it through out of 10,000 (or 65,000). Then it's just not worth it. That's the point being made that is flying over your head at a high rate of speed.

png - It's all good. Jon and I were just having a civil discussion.

 

[Jon]

Of course they're not ALL bad. But if one terrorist makes it through out of 10,000 (or 65,000). Then it's just not worth it. That's the point being made that is flying over your head at a high rate of speed.

I understood it completely, stupid arguments are pretty easy to understand

 

[Jon]

Of course they're not ALL bad. But if one terrorist makes it through out of 10,000 (or 65,000). Then it's just not worth it. That's the point being made that is flying over your head at a high rate of speed.

let's take his argument (now yours as well) to other realms, shall we?

Somewhere around 3% of all legally obtained firearms are used to commit crimes, such as murder. So if 1 gun gets into the wrong hands legally then it's "just not worth it" so therefore we should ban all firearms sales? Right? I am simply using his logic

 

[TheAccountant]

let's take his argument (now yours as well) to other realms, shall we?

Somewhere around 3% of all legally obtained firearms are used to commit crimes, such as murder. So if 1 gun gets into the wrong hands legally then it's "just not worth it" so therefore we should ban all firearms sales? Right? I am simply using his logic

Refugees from war torn countries have no constitutional right to be granted asylum.

 

[pluckngrit]

let's take his argument (now yours as well) to other realms, shall we?

Somewhere around 3% of all legally obtained firearms are used to commit crimes, such as murder. So if 1 gun gets into the wrong hands legally then it's "just not worth it" so therefore we should ban all firearms sales? Right? I am simply using his logic

How apropos of you to pick that argument to compare. Gotta give it to you.

We could actually do something about the refugees.

 

[Gr8hope]

let's take his argument (now yours as well) to other realms, shall we?

Somewhere around 3% of all legally obtained firearms are used to commit crimes, such as murder. So if 1 gun gets into the wrong hands legally then it's "just not worth it" so therefore we should ban all firearms sales? Right? I am simply using his logic

How many of us gun owners have told you we will kill you if you don't stop being a liberal and convert to Christianity?

 

[81usaf92]

Refugees from war torn countries have no constitutional right to be granted asylum.

Really?
http://www.politicalasylumusa.com

 

[Displaced Bama Fan]

Really?
http://www.politicalasylumusa.com

Where does it say they have a Constitutional right to asylum again?

 

[Tide1986]

Yeah and we let an organization that had a member involved in a bombing that killed 168 exist and claim sovereignty over the laws laid down by the founding fathers still exist and operate today. Yet we jokingly call them idiots and screwballs and say everyone has a cousin eddy that takes being a member of the gun club way too serious. So why all the holla baloo over a 10th of these refugees being terrorists? Because we are more accepting of our crazies than their crazies. I don't agree with the refugees coming here for entirely different reasons but ignoring that we have our own nuts and believing that the only nuts are coming from the Middle East is not one of them

From my perspective, this is a classic straw man.

 

[Jon]

How many of us gun owners have told you we will kill you if you don't stop being a liberal and convert to Christianity?

is this a specific threat or are you just trying (and failing) to make some sort of point?

 

[TheAccountant]

Really?
http://www.politicalasylumusa.com

So it's your belief foreign nationals are afforded the same constitutional protections to asylum in the U.S. as a U.S. citizen has to gun ownership and the 2nd Amendment?

Interesting.

 

[92tide]

Refugees from war torn countries have no constitutional right to be granted asylum.

i know this will open up a pedantic vortex, but we are party to a UN treaty about refugees. that treaty has a non-discrimination clause

Article 3
non-discrimination
The Contracting States shall apply the provisions of this Convention to refugees
without discrimination as to race, religion or country of origin.

 

[pluckngrit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvjMUrPUfC4

Bobstod have you heard Dr. Robert Jeffress, pastor of First Baptist Dallas? Maybe he can help you. Above is the video.

 

[TheAccountant]

i know this will open up a pedantic vortex, but we are party to a UN treaty about refugees. that treaty has a non-discrimination clause

Which has nothing to do with a refugee having a constitutional right to be granted asylum in the U.S.

 

[bobstod]

In general terms, the Constitutional power for the federal government, and not the states, to control immigration policies and laws comes from interpretations of Article 1, Section 8, Clauses 3 and 4, of the Constitution.

I'm not taking a position that political refugees have the same constitutional right to entry as an American citizen has for gun ownership; but I do applaud the logic of the argument that Jon made regarding the idea of one terrorist slipping through being 'not worth it'.

I doubt that any committed terrorist would choose refugee status as a way to enter this country. There are many already here, and there are easier ways to get here. To think that by denying entry to these people we can prevent even one terrorist act is a stretch. To think that it would have any significant impact on the terrorist threat is stretching cubed.

 

[92tide]

Which has nothing to do with a refugee having a constitutional right to be granted asylum in the U.S.

the rights granted to them in the un treaty would be on par as a constitutional right as treaties are considered the law of the land. whether that includes a "right" to asylum, i don't know or care as the whole "right to asylum" thing was brought up to try to say that jon's purposefully stupid analogy that was introduced to show the stupidity of the original analogy is more stupid.

 

[TheAccountant]

I'm not really concerned about the terrorist threat and I have no higher obligation to accept any and all just because they are in a tough spot. That being said, for any of you who's religious conscience and guilt drive you to accept any and all, I hope you'll will mark a little extra donation to the government come tax time. There's a real cost to this that will come at the expense of not only the taxpayer but those currently in need who rely on those same social services and programs.

Imagine what all extra cash would be around if we weren't in every hot spot of the world.

 

[TheAccountant]

the rights granted to them in the un treaty would be on par as a constitutional right as treaties are considered the law of the land. whether that includes a "right" to asylum, i don't know or care as the whole "right to asylum" thing was brought up to try to say that jon's purposefully stupid analogy that was introduced to show the stupidity of the original analogy is more stupid.

Translation: Stupid is as stupid does!

 

[92tide]

Translation: Stupid is as stupid does!

or, don't get down in to the mud with a pig as you will both get filthy and the pig will enjoy it

 

[92tide]

I'm not really concerned about the terrorist threat and I have no higher obligation to accept any and all just because they are in a tough spot. That being said, for any of you who's religious conscience and guilt drive you to accept any and all, I hope you'll will mark a little extra donation to the government come tax time. There's a real cost to this that will come at the expense of not only the taxpayer but those currently in need who rely on those same social services and programs.

Imagine what all extra cash would be around if we weren't in every hot spot of the world.

you do not have a higher obligation, but the us is a party to the un treaty on helping refugees and there are a few laws on the books relating to that. so its not really a matter of a bunch of folks feeling guilty and wanting to let people in.