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I was a bit under the weather yesterday and as a result unable to sleep last night so I decided to watch reruns of Bama games on you tube.

I watched the LSU and Notre Dame BCS championship games and 2012 SEC title game v Georgia.

I joined in 2013 shortly after the Iron Bowl game and my education on the Tide did not begin until then.

I didn't realise until I watched those games again last night just how much I'd fallen for the media line about AJ being a limited quaterback but an exceptional game manager.

The two BCS championship games in particular the man was almost perfect with some spectacular completions, I think he averaged 80% completions across both games but more noticeable was that I think 100% of the passes thrown could only possibly have been caught by the intended target.

In fact during the commentry of the Notre Dame match one of the commentators suggests that AJ will give Johnny Football a run for his money in the following years Heisman race.

Where does AJ stand in the list of Alabama quarter backs for those of you with much more knowledge than me?

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TiderJ said:
I consider him our best of all time due to his wins, rings and leadership.
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AJ was a great QB, but I don't know if I'd agree about "best of all time" - perhaps "most accomplished of all time" but there's no question that at least Joe Willie and Snake were more talented.
 
Special K said:
AJ was a great QB, but I don't know if I'd agree about "best of all time" - perhaps "most accomplished of all time" but there's no question that at least Joe Willie and Snake were more talented.
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Joe Willie and Snake were both very talented and great players in college and the NFL but I still consider AJ Bama's greatest QB.
 
It's hard to say because of preference. I think most will say Joe and Snake are 1a and 1b, and then after that I would say most would have the debate between AJ and Bart.

Me personally I think Barker may be one of the best ever, but it's hard to truly know because CGS was a run heavy coach, but at the times he let Homer loose Jay looked unstoppable. The 94 SECCG still is one of the biggest what ifs in Bama history because we were far and away the better team, and probably the only team that could've beaten Tom Osbourne's Nebraska team that year. But very conservative play calling cost us that day, and maybe another national championship. That game is probably the only criticism I got of CGS
 
81usaf92 said:
It's hard to say because of preference. I think most will say Joe and Snake are 1a and 1b, and then after that I would say most would have the debate between AJ and Bart.

Me personally I think Barker may be one of the best ever, but it's hard to truly know because CGS was a run heavy coach, but at the times he let Homer loose Jay looked unstoppable. The 94 SECCG still is one of the biggest what ifs in Bama history because we were far and away the better team, and probably the only team that could've beaten Tom Osbourne's Nebraska team that year. But very conservative play calling cost us that day, and maybe another national championship. That game is probably the only criticism I got of CGS
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A little thing that will seem silly to you but I must be getting there slowly as it made me smile, I read CGS as Coach Gene Stallings automatically.

All chuffed with myself now lol.

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A.J. was a lot more then a game manager. He was able to make things happen, put us in situations to win, and then lead us to victory. I think he will still break out in the NFL and become a franchise QB. But it's hard to think of him being better then Joe Willie.
 
RWB, this discussion always comes up on here in and there are folks who disagree and have strong feelings about which Alabama QB they feel to be the greatest. One variable that you have to understand is that a fan's belief, in a lot of cases, is defined by their age and heavily influenced by how many times they have seen an Alabama QB play. For instance, a person would have to be between 55-60 to have seen Joe Namath or Ken Stabler play either in person or on TV. During those years, TV coverage was limited to one, possibly two games a week, for all of college football games. Alabama was televised two, maybe three times a year. I would guess McCarron was on TV for probably all of his collegiate games.

If one bases their decision on total wins and NCs alone, then it would be McCarron. If you base your decision on who was the more physically gifted or who had the better NFL career, won a NC and a Super Bowl, then hands down it would be Namath and Stabler.
 
GrayTide said:
RWB, this discussion always comes up on here in and there are folks who disagree and have strong feelings about which Alabama QB they feel to be the greatest. One variable that you have to understand is that a fan's belief, in a lot of cases, is defined by their age and heavily influenced by how many times they have seen an Alabama QB play. For instance, a person would have to be between 55-60 to have seen Joe Namath or Ken Stabler play either in person or on TV. During those years, TV coverage was limited to one, possibly two games a week, for all of college football games. Alabama was televised two, maybe three times a year. I would guess McCarron was on TV for probably all of his collegiate games.

If one bases their decision on total wins and NCs alone, then it would be McCarron. If you base your decision on who was the more physically gifted or who had the better NFL career, won a NC and a Super Bowl, then hands down it would be Namath and Stabler.
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With All due respect if we are going off NFL career then Bart Starr beats all of them.
 
Special K said:
AJ was a great QB, but I don't know if I'd agree about "best of all time" - perhaps "most accomplished of all time" but there's no question that at least Joe Willie and Snake were more talented.
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Not to sound blasphemous but Joe was a 52% passer in 62 and a 49% in 63 and went down in the 4th game of the year in 64 against NC State.
He didn't return until Auburn and the 2nd half of the Orange Bowl. Steve Sloan saved our bacon in 64 by going undefeated and backing up Namath.

To me AJ hands down. 3 solid years and would have had 3 NC's except for that damn Auburn crap return of a field goal, In my opinion of course.
 
GrayTide said:
RWB, this discussion always comes up on here in and there are folks who disagree and have strong feelings about which Alabama QB they feel to be the greatest. One variable that you have to understand is that a fan's belief, in a lot of cases, is defined by their age and heavily influenced by how many times they have seen an Alabama QB play. For instance, a person would have to be between 55-60 to have seen Joe Namath or Ken Stabler play either in person or on TV. During those years, TV coverage was limited to one, possibly two games a week, for all of college football games. Alabama was televised two, maybe three times a year. I would guess McCarron was on TV for probably all of his collegiate games.

If one bases their decision on total wins and NCs alone, then it would be McCarron. If you base your decision on who was the more physically gifted or who had the better NFL career, won a NC and a Super Bowl, then hands down it would be Namath and Stabler.
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Valid point and one I appreciate being on the wrong side of 45 myself.

I possibly worded the o.p. poorly, watching the games again (which I had watched previously shortly after joining these forums) i definitely didn't appreciate just how good an arm AJ had initially.

Watching our coverage here from 2013 onward I do think that the media in general underplayed AJ's natural talent.

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I think that AJ was the best college QB in the history of the sport. He was a kick six away from winning 3 consecutive championships.
 
B1GTide said:
I think that AJ was the best college QB in the history of the sport. He was a kick six away from winning 3 consecutive championships.
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Ironically he was also one Terrelle Pryor away from possibly only winning one as a starter.

I personally don't like the national championship argument because it makes it hard to argue against a player on a dynasty. AJ is the only multiple NC starting qb at Alabama. So it almost is impossible to make an argument for Joe, Snake, Jay, and Trammel. Using that logic would be the same as saying Doug Wilson is a better qb than Dan Marino because he has a super bowl. Again it's all about preference but I just don't think it's a fair argument using NCs.
 
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81usaf92 said:
Ironically he was also one Terrelle Pryor away from possibly only winning one as a starter.

I personally don't like the national championship argument because it makes it hard to argue against a player on a dynasty. AJ is the only multiple NC starting qb at Alabama. So it almost is impossible to make an argument for Joe, Snake, Jay, and Trammel. Using that logic would be the same as saying Doug Wilson is a better qb than Dan Marino because he has a super bowl. Again it's all about preference but I just don't think it's a fair argument using NCs.
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The QB position is not like any other, and we play the game to win. It may not be fair, but such is life. AJ was a winner.
 
B1GTide said:
It may not be fair, but such is life. AJ was a winner.
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Never said otherwise, just said if you make that the deciding factor then you are saying all the others can't be considered to be equal or better than a person that was on one of the greatest teams in history. Again do you consider Doug Wilson a better qb than Dan Marino ,Terry Bradshaw better than Peyton Manning, or perhaps Joe flacco better than Jim Kelly just because of the number of rings.
 
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