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Jim McElwain Terminated by Florida

In simpler terms.......if Florida only had a good QB........seems as good a reason for their recent downfall as any.

I was watching some You Tube interviews with some of the seniors yesterday after Mac was released, and the reporters were asking questions about how crazy the last week has been. Brandon Powel said something to the effect like "If you want crazy....how about going through 9 quarterbacks since I got here 4 years ago...now that is crazy!"

Of course, everyone got a good laugh......

But he made a great point.....that is crazy......

Here's a link to the video for anyone interested.

As an aside.....I have to say all three players who were interviewed, all seniors, showed a ton of class and maturity in their interviews. Brandon Powell, Duke Dawson, and Mark Thompson.

Happy to have Coach Shannon taking us through the rest of the season......
 
There is a "truism" in hiring people that if 3 people concurrently fail in a position, it's not the people but the position and how it is structured, etc.

UA would qualify, except that we can put the failures of MD, what's his name, (LOL) & Price on their own shoulders. MS came into a situation where he was the sacrificial lamb -- restore us to decency in the eyes of the public and we will pay you well. No way he was prepared for that situation...maybe now, not then. I could even make the argument that he succeeded given what he found and what he left. Or you could argue that CNS dramatically rewrote the culture...

However, no way UT or UF can get off that easily. They have "institutional/cultural failure" written into the DNA at present. Until they change their culture they will not succeed...just that simple...but really hard to pull off.
 
rgw said:
Maybe Florida is just a 8-4 on average type football program unless they hit a home run hire.
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Or worse...

UF all time record:
710-404-40 (.633) = 7.59 wins per season, 12 game schedule

UF record with Spurrier and Meyer:
187-42-1 (.813) = 9.75 wins per season, 12 game schedule

UF record without Spurrier and Meyer:
523-362-39 (.566) = 6.79 wins per season, 12 game schedule
 
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CrimsonProf said:
Based on what?

Where is their history before Spurrier? A few probation years with Charley Pell? Spurrier's Heisman campaign?

RobK has already made the point but UF doesn't have a multi-generational history of greatness, and as rgw has noted - it's taken two all-time greats at HC (along with Tim Tebow) to make it happen.


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I don't see why history before Spurrier is relevant, honestly. At the end of the day we're talking about how recruits perceive the program, right? I'm not saying UF is a "blue blood" but folks of my generation definitely perceive Florida as one of the premier programs in the country. They always have talent. They may need to update their facilities but I really don't see why a good coach wouldn't have them as a national power year in and year out.

History from the 70s and 80s means no more to Florida than it does to Nebraksa, IMO.
 
UntouchableCrew said:
Couldn't disagree more. It's an SEC program with history and money in arguably the most talent rich state in the country. They should be en elite program year in and year out and if they aren't it's due to poor management.
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If "MONEY = CHAMPIONSHIPS", then Texas, USCw, Notre Dame and Michigan would be in the P_ayoffs almost every year.
 
TomFromBama said:
If "MONEY = CHAMPIONSHIPS", then Texas, USCw, Notre Dame and Michigan would be in the P_ayoffs almost every year.
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Did you actually read what I wrote? Because "money" was one of four elements I listed as to why I think Florida should be a consistent contender.
 
The Ols said:
He said something to the effect that he hadn't gotten a HC job because he was a black man with a white wife. NOT a quote, a reference point...Looking for something from CCS, but there's this:[FONT="]Tillman claims that a former dean of an SEC school said that “in no uncertain terms, Strong’s marital status is a difficult sell at any Southern university.”
[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT="]If you read through just a handful of message boards of Auburn, Clemson, or Tennessee fans, you’ll see that a black man with a white wife is not the face they would want for their schools. [/FONT]
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If memory serves, Charlie also figured prominently in a divorce case of a booster at one of his previous schools (maybe Lousville). That's not exactly what most "Southern Universities" are looking for, either....
Well, except maybe Lousiville... ;)
 
UntouchableCrew said:
Wow. Have to take a hit piece like that with a grain of salt but it really doesn't paint a flattering picture of the guy.
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Agreed, but it makes sense when combined with the refusal to listen to Spurrier. Again, I agree with B1G that Spurrier can be brash and might have said some stupid stuff to xCJM to tick him off, but when you turn away a valuable resource like that - especially when you're struggling - that's hard to justify...
 
Padreruf said:
There is a "truism" in hiring people that if 3 people concurrently fail in a position, it's not the people but the position and how it is structured, etc.

UA would qualify, except that we can put the failures of MD, what's his name, (LOL) & Price on their own shoulders. MS came into a situation where he was the sacrificial lamb -- restore us to decency in the eyes of the public and we will pay you well. No way he was prepared for that situation...maybe now, not then. I could even make the argument that he succeeded given what he found and what he left. Or you could argue that CNS dramatically rewrote the culture...

However, no way UT or UF can get off that easily. They have "institutional/cultural failure" written into the DNA at present. Until they change their culture they will not succeed...just that simple...but really hard to pull off.
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LOTS of Truth here ^^^^.

Thinking back even further, to one of my ALL TIME Favorite coaches and favorite human beings - Gene Stallings -
We'd had two coaches who "failed", I'd submit at least Partially due to the lingering effects of Coach Bryant's tenure (That, and the fact that curry was a lousy coach and a worse human being.... But I digress... ;) )

Stallings came in touted as the ONE person who could handle the expectations and embrace the legacy - and for 3 years that's just what he did. But eventually the INSTITUTIONAL SICKNESS at UA eventually took him out. It was Hootie Ingram's arrogance that 100% triggered the events that culminated in the 1995 probation, and it was UA's institutional "Knee-Jerk" reaction to that probation that lead to Stallings' premature "Retirement".

We weren't TRULY SUCCESSFUL again until The University was far enough removed from Coach Bryant (over 20 years) and faced with a HARSH Enough Reality, that the School was (Grudgingly) willing to change the culture of the Athletics Department. To his ETERNAL CREDIT, it was Coach Moore, a man who had been as close to Coach Bryant as anyone on the planet, who saw the problem, faced it head on, and made the necessary changes.

UF and UcheaT are BOTH facing similar issues. aubarn never has faced its "demons" - Pat Dye still "haunts" the halls of their athletics department. My sense, from the many comments spewing forth from the pie hole of "The Ole' Ball Sack" is that Florida REMAINS UNWILLING to face it's internal "demons" as well.

IF that's true, the results are predictable.
 
One person's confidence is another's arrogance...I don't like hit pieces when people are down. I am sure that CPB and CNS were called arrogant at one time or another -- in fact I know it. Maybe he crossed a line...maybe he didn't. The bottom is that it wasn't working at UF and that had to grate on him and the administration.
 
RTR91 said:
[h=1]Lyell: Few saw Jim McElwain's other side at CSU[/h]
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My exposure to Mac has been like many Bama fans...95% of what we know come from his time in Tuscaloosa. I formed a favorable opinion reading up about him here on this board. I've never met him so I can't say if I think he acts like a jerk. Saban proved he has a high tolerance for jerks with his Kiffin run, so the fact that Mac hung around Tuscaloosa several years doesn't tell me one way or the other.

But this article...written in Colorado, sounds almost like a local sportswriter still upset that Mac abandoned Colorado State for Florida. If my memory serves me correctly, there was a Miami sportswriter, Dan Be-littler, who jumped on the chance to run Saban down when he left town. Mac may have indeed been obnoxious while in Colorado, but the guy who wrote the article needs to tone down his sour grapes, in my humble opinion.
 
Padreruf said:
I am sure that CPB and CNS were called arrogant at one time or another -- in fact I know it.
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Sure, but when you're winning NC's there's virtually no personality traits people won't tolerate. I prefer confidence over arrogance, but at least CPB and CNS earned the right to feel smug, if they ever felt / feel that way.

If McElwain is arrogant, having accomplished nothing as a HC, then there's little excuse for it.
 
Padreruf said:
One person's confidence is another's arrogance...I don't like hit pieces when people are down. I am sure that CPB and CNS were called arrogant at one time or another -- in fact I know it. Maybe he crossed a line...maybe he didn't. The bottom is that it wasn't working at UF and that had to grate on him and the administration.
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For some reason the like button wasn't there for me to click on, but it sounds like we are on the same page.
 
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