COVID-19 Vaccine Issues and New Poll

[NationalTitles18]

With Pfizer applying 2 days ago for an EAU for their vaccine I thought we needed a vaccine thread.

This is where we discuss COVID vaccines, distribution, priority populations, safety and efficacy issues, and so forth.

If Pfizer's vaccine is approved it could hit the streets as soon as December 11 since the advisory board is scheduled to meet on the 10th.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/pfizer-apply-emergency-use-its-covid-19-vaccine-n1248319

https://www.facebook.com/dearpandemic/posts/204549287840393

Promising Interim Results from Clinical Trial of NIH-Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine

An interim review of trial data suggests that the vaccine is safe and effective at preventing symptomatic COVID-19 in adults.

www.nih.gov

Oxford team "delighted" as trials show COVID vaccine works well in older adults, but they're "not in a rush"

Scientists working with AstraZeneca say they're "delighted" with the latest human trial data, but they're "not in a rush."

www.cbsnews.com

https://www.fda.gov/emergency-prepa...virus-disease-2019-covid-19/covid-19-vaccines

More Americans Now Willing to Get COVID-19 Vaccine

Nearly six in 10 Americans say they would get a COVID-19 vaccine, up from half who said the same in September.

news.gallup.com

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There are several good vaccine candidates and which one you get may depend on timing, your priority status, and luck.

I'm surprised (I shouldn't be, I know) that ultra cold freezers have not already rolled out to pharmacies and/or provider offices across the country - that should have already happened.

Public acceptance for these vaccines is increasing. Hopefully, as data show the vaccines to potentially be safe and effective more people will come around nd be willing to take it.

Fortunately this process has been fairly well insulated from political nonsense.

I decided at the end here to post a poll. If you choose "No" or "Unsure" please post your reasoning in the comments (you don't have to but I would like to have an idea on why people might be hesitant). Answers are private and you can go back and change it if you change your mind.

My opinion here but the vaccine should be mandatory (unless contraindicated medically), beginning with school age children once enough doses are available.

 

[B1GTide]

Based on what I have read so far, if they showed up at my home tomorrow, I would take it.

 

[Crimson1967]

Based on what I have read so far, if they showed up at my home tomorrow, I would take it.

I would take it and post it on social media just to get all the anti-mask Trumpies in a tizzy.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

I would take it and post it on social media just to get all the anti-mask Trumpies in a tizzy.

Let them know that black helicopters are following you and they give you a 666 tattoo.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

With Pfizer applying 2 days ago for an EAU for their vaccine I thought we needed a vaccine thread.

This is where we discuss COVID vaccines, distribution, priority populations, safety and efficacy issues, and so forth.

If Pfizer's vaccine is approved it could hit the streets as soon as December 11 since the advisory board is scheduled to meet on the 10th.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/pfizer-apply-emergency-use-its-covid-19-vaccine-n1248319

https://www.facebook.com/dearpandemic/posts/204549287840393

Promising Interim Results from Clinical Trial of NIH-Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine

An interim review of trial data suggests that the vaccine is safe and effective at preventing symptomatic COVID-19 in adults.

www.nih.gov

Oxford team "delighted" as trials show COVID vaccine works well in older adults, but they're "not in a rush"

Scientists working with AstraZeneca say they're "delighted" with the latest human trial data, but they're "not in a rush."

www.cbsnews.com

https://www.fda.gov/emergency-prepa...virus-disease-2019-covid-19/covid-19-vaccines

More Americans Now Willing to Get COVID-19 Vaccine

Nearly six in 10 Americans say they would get a COVID-19 vaccine, up from half who said the same in September.

news.gallup.com

.

There are several good vaccine candidates and which one you get may depend on timing, your priority status, and luck.

I'm surprised (I shouldn't be, I know) that ultra cold freezers have not already rolled out to pharmacies and/or provider offices across the country - that should have already happened.

Public acceptance for these vaccines is increasing. Hopefully, as data show the vaccines to potentially be safe and effective more people will come around nd be willing to take it.

Fortunately this process has been fairly well insulated from political nonsense.

I decided at the end here to post a poll. If you choose "No" or "Unsure" please post your reasoning in the comments (you don't have to but I would like to have an idea on why people might be hesitant). Answers are private and you can go back and change it if you change your mind.

My opinion here but the vaccine should be mandatory (unless contraindicated medically), beginning with school age children once enough doses are available.

It seems like wherever I read, older individuals with comorbidities are in the first tier, along with frontline workers. However, from what I've been told, that's not at all the way it will be administered here, with the Pfizer going first to ICU and covid ward workers. If it has to be administered only at the largest hospital here, I don't see how it can possibly be administered to the senior population, except possibly to nursing home inmates...

 

[B1GTide]

It seems like wherever I read, older individuals with comorbidities are in the first tier, along with frontline workers. However, from what I've been told, that's not at all the way it will be administered here, with the Pfizer going first to ICU and covid ward workers. If it has to be administered only at the largest hospital here, I don't see how it can possibly be administered to the senior population, except possibly to nursing home inmates...

NJ won't get to anyone outside of the medical community or long term care facilities for a long time because of the enormous numbers of people in those two groups here.

 

[JAXFLBAMAFAN]

Nobody is talking about the military. I believe they should be first simply because of national security.

 

[NationalTitles18]

It seems like wherever I read, older individuals with comorbidities are in the first tier, along with frontline workers. However, from what I've been told, that's not at all the way it will be administered here, with the Pfizer going first to ICU and covid ward workers. If it has to be administered only at the largest hospital here, I don't see how it can possibly be administered to the senior population, except possibly to nursing home inmates...

Here's the proposed priority order:



IIRC, the Pfizer vaccine can be kept for up to a few weeks at -40 (don't quote me on that, though). That could help.

If planning had gone as it should we wouldn't be talking about this logistical problem like this now.

 

[B1GTide]

Nobody is talking about the military. I believe they should be first simply because of national security.

No, they should not. They are among the lowest risk population.

 

[NationalTitles18]

Nobody is talking about the military. I believe they should be first simply because of national security.

They will likely be in Phase 2 or 3, except high priority officials.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

A few months ago, I started a thread proposing an order of vaccination, based on what I perceived as the right thing — healthcare workers, first responders and active duty military first, then in descending order of riskiest groups (riskiest first).

There were some niggles on whether Condition A trumped Condition B, and how you prioritize multiple factors. As in, who goes first when Condition A is less risky than Condition B, but a 60-year-old has Condition A, and a 30-year-old has Condition B.

But there was general consensus on the board that the concept was the right one.

Mrs. Basket Case is 63, and has high blood pressure, managed well through medication. I‘m 61, and have no co-morbidities (not yet, anyway). We will both take the vaccine the instant we can get it....which, given our slightly different risk profiles might not be at the same time.

 

[Crimson1967]

Here's the proposed priority order:

View attachment 12505

IIRC, the Pfizer vaccine can be kept for up to a few weeks at -40 (don't quote me on that, though). That could help.

If planning had gone as it should we wouldn't be talking about this logistical problem like this now.

Is that temperature Fahrenheit or Celsius?

My wife drives a school bus and I am in the grocery business, so that puts us in Phase 2.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Here's the proposed priority order:

View attachment 12505

IIRC, the Pfizer vaccine can be kept for up to a few weeks at -40 (don't quote me on that, though). That could help.

If planning had gone as it should we wouldn't be talking about this logistical problem like this now.

That places me in 1b...

 

[NationalTitles18]

Is that temperature Fahrenheit or Celsius?

My wife drives a school bus and I am in the grocery business, so that puts us in Phase 2.

-70 Celsius, or -94 F

 

[TIDE-HSV]

NJ won't get to anyone outside of the medical community or long term care facilities for a long time because of the enormous numbers of people in those two groups here.

I think that's not just NJ. That's universal and the grounds for my saying earlier that I expect to receive the Moderna, or even a later vaccine...

 

[NationalTitles18]

That places me in 1b...

I believe I'll be in Phase 2 along with Mrs NT17. I imagine ER/ICU/other in-hospital staff will deservedly be in the first group.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

A few months ago, I started a thread proposing an order of vaccination, based on what I perceived as the right thing — healthcare workers, first responders and active duty military first, then in descending order of riskiest groups (riskiest first).

There were some niggles on whether Condition A trumped Condition B, and how you prioritize multiple factors. As in, who goes first when Condition A is less risky than Condition B, but a 60-year-old has Condition A, and a 30-year-old has Condition B.

But there was general consensus on the board that the concept was the right one.

Mrs. Basket Case is 63, and has high blood pressure, managed well through medication. I‘m 61, and have no co-morbidities (not yet, anyway). We will both take the vaccine the instant we can get it....which, given our slightly different risk profiles might not be at the same time.

I'll probably also get it before my wife. I'm 3.5 years older, have managed HBP (that may not matter), heart bypass, CKD and compressed lungs. On top of that, I'm type A and she's type O...

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I believe I'll be in Phase 2 along with Mrs NT17. I imagine ER/ICU/other in-hospital staff will deservedly be in the first group.

I know they will here because that's the plan in place...

 

[4Q Basket Case]

Question for NT17, or anyone else who might know....

Why does the Pfizer vaccine need such incredibly low temps, whereas Moderna’s can handle temps in line with much more widely-available freezers?

I understand the need for cooling, but holy smokes, 0 degrees F vs. -100 F is a long way when we’re already talking pretty dang cold.

 

[NationalTitles18]

Question for NT17, or anyone else who might know....

Why does the Pfizer vaccine need such incredibly low temps, whereas Moderna’s can handle temps in line with much more widely-available freezers?

I understand the need for cooling, but holy smokes, 0 degrees F vs. -100 F is a long way when we’re already talking pretty dang cold.

Here’s why COVID-19 vaccines like Pfizer’s need to be kept so cold

Both Pfizer and Moderna built their vaccines on RNA. Freezing them keeps their fragile components from breaking down.

www.sciencenews.org