SEC Network posited on this too. They saw the breakup of the conference being 4 pods of 4 teams each. Every team would play all the teams in their pod every year along with 2 teams from each of the other 3 pods for a 9-game SEC schedule. I dont remember exactly the pod alignments, but it seems that Bama Auburn, Tennessee and Vandy were together in one.
BREAKING Sec additions–Texas, Oklahoma inquire about joining SEC per report
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Hey, we're moving to the hundred game playoff system, so how about 2 more? Semi's and Finals from the winners of the pods. That would just enhance the Championship game.
It depends.
A commonly proposed version is "alternating divisions" - where, just for example, in odd years two pods would collectively form the East division and the other two the West division and in even years a different pair of pods would collectively form the North division and the other two the South division.
No and it’s probably the worst decision a conference could make.There is absolutely no benefit to it.
What exactly do they think they're going to do, compete with the NFL or something?
Conferences don't want to die and the member schools don't want to be without a power conference, so if you do kill the Big 12 those teams just scatter to the other conferences and shore them up.
Even looking at the Big 12, Texas Tech (third most important program in a massive state) and Kansas (huge) basketball power are not likely to end up without a power conference home. Even (technical) conference outsiders like BYU and Notre Dame seem like they could find a permanent home if they felt they had to. Let's not even get into the insane idea of the Pac-12 dying, then you have Southern Cal, UCLA, Oregon, and Stanford looking for a home?
You kill one conference (the Big 12 for example) and then you have the AAC trying to take their place. You try to kill the Pac-12, you have all those teams that are well off financially, well backed, and several of which are in a huge state looking for a place to go.
I just don't see a non-insane way you get less than four conferences, and that's why so much of this talk sounds insane to me. College football doesn't work without places like California, Michigan and Ohio State. Not sure what the SEC thinks they are trying to build here...
To put this into context, Alabama has an all time winning percentage of .729, Oklahoma is .726, and Texas is .704. Something has to give here. Some of that revenue and enthusiasm will dry up once traditional winners start to lose.
What’s going to happen if this occurs is that once all the great additions are taken then conferences are going to fill based on need. I think the ACC will try to merge the old Big East into itself with Cincy and West Virginia, The Big 10 will probably get the good teams like Kansas and Iowa St, but that leaves the PAC 12. They really like their region more than competing. I could really see them taking Texas Tech, Wyoming, Nevada, and probably seeing if a major FCS like NDSU or Montana would move up or get someone like CSU.
As for the rest of the teams… they either go to FCS or go to a Mickey Mouse conference.
So I've only read up thru 6 pages of this...wow this is really touching a nerve for some of you. But some thoughts:
1. First, some of you struggle with geography cause Texas isn't the "southwest;" it's literally smack dab in the middle of the country.
2. Why would Texas want to join the SEC if TAMU is already there? Why would TAMU be opposed to Texas joining the SEC? Haha...it's pretty obvious...Texas would do it just to chap the Aggies and TAMU doesn't want to be little bro again to Texas.
3. OU makes a ton of sense...they are more like Alabama than Texas in terms of tradition and being a true blueblood.
4. Lots of talk about money...but if they come it's about one thing: competing with the best and chasing football championships (I know the money stuff matters, but the money will take care of itself - and yes, they'll get plenty as "equal partners" with every other SEC team - which is why it's more than just about the money).
5. Who cares where the championship game is? It'll be a domed stadium so it really doesn't matter...the game is changing...and this may be the first big domino.
Personally, I don't really care one way or the other. I really don't think it impacts Bama that much either way.
1. First, some of you struggle with geography cause Texas isn't the "southwest;" it's literally smack dab in the middle of the country.
2. Why would Texas want to join the SEC if TAMU is already there? Why would TAMU be opposed to Texas joining the SEC? Haha...it's pretty obvious...Texas would do it just to chap the Aggies and TAMU doesn't want to be little bro again to Texas.
3. OU makes a ton of sense...they are more like Alabama than Texas in terms of tradition and being a true blueblood.
4. Lots of talk about money...but if they come it's about one thing: competing with the best and chasing football championships (I know the money stuff matters, but the money will take care of itself - and yes, they'll get plenty as "equal partners" with every other SEC team - which is why it's more than just about the money).
5. Who cares where the championship game is? It'll be a domed stadium so it really doesn't matter...the game is changing...and this may be the first big domino.
Personally, I don't really care one way or the other. I really don't think it impacts Bama that much either way.
You can make points w/out being a tool about it...Not sure if your "OK boomer" was a realignment joke, but it sets a really snarky and hugely unnecessary tone...Lighten up Francis...Ok boomer.
Is this satire? You sound literally scared. If adding those two teams to the conference doesn't get you excited, are you even a fan of college football at all? You erroneously claim the SEC would gain nothing, Do you realize how much $$$ those two teams pull in with their own fanbases. Not to mention a bigger geographical footprint, multiple new revenue opportunities. The quality of games increase substantially. Go ahead and do some research how how much money those teams make and go back and read what you said. What a weak and spineless comment to one of the most exciting realignment news drops in years.
You are literally doubling down on this point. Stand by, and I'll be back with some financial statements to fix this bone in your head
2020 UT- 200 Million $
OU with a cool 83 million in 2020 During the pandemic nontheless
Texas has been raking in the money for the entire decade of their mediocrity in 2018-2019 they set a new record for 223 million
OU coming at 8th nationally for revenue 2018-19 with 175 million which was a decrease from the previous year
I think if you don't know anything about finance and are only looking at the expansion with your bias and how much "harder" winning the SEC title can be, you can convince yourself to believe things like "it makes no financial sense". A move like UT and OU coming to the SEC would be an earth shattering move. Top recruits every year come to Alabama to compete with the best every day. The best players want to compete against the best. Bring. it. on.
ND cannot choose any other conference (ACC) until AFTER 2036...
i wake up to see a new day and still think this is ridiculous.
Ok, enough of my rant ... carry on lol
Ok, enough of my rant ... carry on lol
That's still 4 major conferences though, right? The Big 12 could try an AAC merger, if things really start to move they have programs like Eastern Carolina, UCF, Houston, SMU, Memphis and Cincy which in some cases have some desirable attributes (good attendance, good states, good boosters). The Big 12 could try to retain their power 5 status or the AAC could try to gain it.
Just not seeing a way to get under 4 power conferences in which case the SEC is still way too top heavy for that alignment.
Point by point
1) the geographic issue is more because UTx is in the middle of the state of Texas and we already know they are going to whine if they get the Missouri treatment or have to play in Atlanta for a conference championship.
2) Maybe you aren’t paying enough attention. The issue is that the Big XII has a failing network deal and Texas and Oklahoma are worried about losing money because of it and the NIL. The SEC is the most profitable for all members so that’s why this is actually being talked about.
3) This shows the disconnect between fans who understand business and those who just want to see matchups. Oklahoma and Texas aren’t going to be great additions like some here think. How conferences earn money is controlling markets. The SEC already owns the Texas market, and the Oklahoma market isn’t that big of a deal. More or less this addition only makes sense if you are strictly basing this off of potential in conference matchups. But remember… Nebraska going to the B1G. A massive step up in competition usually humbles “great” programs. So these “matchups” might not amount to anything 5 years into it.
4) This is all about money and none about competition.
5) People who actually go. Atlanta is going to cause a bunch of Sooners and horns to complain and the last thing we need is this to be put at Jerry World.
Well I still see the ACC getting both Cincy and West Virginia if Notre Dame doesn’t fullyjoin.
Basically, the SEC looks more attractive than where they are.
But, Austin is only about 100 miles further west. Geography is not an issue here.
I'm not arguing money doesn't matter/isn't driving the conversation, but it's competing in the SEC that will drive in more money. I think they both probably see the SEC as a path to greater riches PLUS even greater status.
AND, I think Texas and TAMU having to play each other is kinda like punishment for both but great for college football.
Like you said, it's all about the money. It would be interesting having 2 divisions with Bama, Auburn, Ky. Tenn.,Vandy, Ga.. Fla.. S.C. in the East and the rest in the west.
My point is that neither Texas or Oklahoma are going to own a division if we keep the division format. Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Georgia, and Florida are basically going to be still going to be the ones really competing for Atlanta. I don’t think having it permanently in North Texas is fair for the fan bases that are actually going to be in the game. I’m fine with putting it in a Centralized location like New Orleans or having it rotate. But Texas using that argument (because they will) is just stupid.
And when they do whine is the time to show them they’re the fresh fish in the prison and have no say.
I realize how things went down the last time with the Big 12 and Texas. They were for sure going to the Pac 10 and then they weren't.
Something feels different about this. There have been zero denials. The responses from the players who are getting the shaft here, Oklahoma State/Texas A&M, have been like they've resolved themselves to the inevitability of it all. It feels like all of this has already been ironed out behind the scenes, much like the 12 team playoff was.
We've known for years now that the Big 12 media rights were scheduled for renewal in 2025. I would bet this has been being negotiated for several years now. Rewind back a couple years when the Big 12 went on this nationwide expedition to expand. You had all of these teams applying. Houston. UCF. BYU. Memphis literally offered to pay them off in order to join. Yet in the end, nothing happened. In reality, they tested the market and found that zero power 5 teams wanted to join them. They were never interested in group of 5 additions. That was all a smoke screen.
So fast forward to today. Knowing they were never going to get anyone to join them, Texas/OU has accepted the reality that the only way forward in the changing world of collegiate athletics is to join one of the powers, which are really the SEC and the Big Ten.
Yesterday I thought this was all absurd. Today, not so much.
Something feels different about this. There have been zero denials. The responses from the players who are getting the shaft here, Oklahoma State/Texas A&M, have been like they've resolved themselves to the inevitability of it all. It feels like all of this has already been ironed out behind the scenes, much like the 12 team playoff was.
We've known for years now that the Big 12 media rights were scheduled for renewal in 2025. I would bet this has been being negotiated for several years now. Rewind back a couple years when the Big 12 went on this nationwide expedition to expand. You had all of these teams applying. Houston. UCF. BYU. Memphis literally offered to pay them off in order to join. Yet in the end, nothing happened. In reality, they tested the market and found that zero power 5 teams wanted to join them. They were never interested in group of 5 additions. That was all a smoke screen.
So fast forward to today. Knowing they were never going to get anyone to join them, Texas/OU has accepted the reality that the only way forward in the changing world of collegiate athletics is to join one of the powers, which are really the SEC and the Big Ten.
Yesterday I thought this was all absurd. Today, not so much.
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