OC and DC replacement discussion

[Lucky Jack]

Welp Kliff Kingsbury has been fired. Maybe coming to Saban Rehab? rtr

No way. He'll have plenty of opportunities. He won't need the clinic.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I’m sure BoB had his reasons for the run-pass mix that he called. What I can’t figure out is why he seemed to go completely away from a hurry-up style of tempo.
only thing I can figure is he might have been told to take air out of the ball to keep the D off the field.

Saban RARELY publicly addresses any coordinator concerns even when speaking in vague terms. But TWICE this season he publicly made comments that no doubt was directed at BOB. The most recent was in the Sugar Bowl when the comment was made (and I'm paraphrasing) "We stopped calling plays just to be calling plays and started calling plays with a purpose in mind".

I think Saban was frustrated with how BOB's playcalling sequence throughout the season as well.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

No way. He'll have plenty of opportunities. He won't need the clinic.

Agree. If he comes it will be because he doesn't have any opportunities in the NFL.

 

[bamadws56]

Tide 100.9 reporting that Steve Sarkisian is interested in Pete Golding. Showed up on my feed, but I don't live in Alabama anymore and have no idea how credible (if at all) their reporting is.

Roll Tide Rumor Mill; What's the Fate of Bill O'Brien and Pete Golding?

While many Bama fans maybe nervous with the changes ahead, as long as Saban is in charge you can count on him to make the best choices for the program.

tide1009.com

 

[BamaMoon]

FWIW, I agree we need to have a more physical running game, but I sincerely doubt that means we start running it much more than we have the last few years. I think CNS loves a good balance, but we aren't recruiting these 4 and 5 star QBs to hand it off a lot more than we pass it.

 

[Lucky Jack]

Agree. If he comes it will be because he doesn't have any opportunities in the NFL.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him as a college head coach, either, since the NFL could cause an opening or two.

 

[CB4]

Tide 100.9 reporting that Steve Sarkisian is interested in Pete Golding. Showed up on my feed, but I don't live in Alabama anymore and have no idea how credible (if at all) their reporting is.

Roll Tide Rumor Mill; What's the Fate of Bill O'Brien and Pete Golding?

While many Bama fans maybe nervous with the changes ahead, as long as Saban is in charge you can count on him to make the best choices for the program.

tide1009.com

That’s interesting. If I recall correctly, I believe Texas and Sark spoke with him last year about a position.

 

[mlh]

Soon to be announced. New OC - Jason Simpson

 

[allybama2009]

A lot of anti-Bama folks on another site I frequent, seem to think Kingsbury to Bama is "set in stone." I don't know what to think about Kingsbury.

yea not sure either

 

[Titans&Tide]

After watching the game last night, CNS needs to immediately back a Brinks truck up to Glen Schumann's house and bring him home. That defense is what ours should look like.

 

[bamaslammer]

After watching the game last night, CNS needs to immediately back a Brinks truck up to Glen Schumann's house and bring him home. That defense is what ours should look like.

Another issue Georgia is about to enjoy. Everybody poaching their staff for head coaches. After all, THEY are the kings of college football now. We are some also ran who gets passed over by the likes of western conference runner up's for the playoff. Schuman is probably high on a lot of AD's boards.

 

[Tidelines]

Georgia needs to lose a bunch of assistant coaches. It’s the way you weaken a program. Schools done it to Bama for years.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Another issue Georgia is about to enjoy. Everybody poaching their staff for head coaches. After all, THEY are the kings of college football now. We are some also ran who gets passed over by the likes of western conference runner up's for the playoff. Schuman is probably high on a lot of AD's boards.

Hasn't UGA been dealing with this for a while now? I don't keep up with their program but it seems that Bowlcut has been losing coordinators pretty regularly over the last few years.

 

[81usaf92]

Hasn't UGA been dealing with this for a while now? I don't keep up with their program but it seems that Bowlcut has been losing coordinators pretty regularly over the last few years.

Lanning is really the only major one in the current run. Monken has been there for 3 years.

 

[gtgilbert]

After watching the game last night, CNS needs to immediately back a Brinks truck up to Glen Schumann's house and bring him home. That defense is what ours should look like.

agreed, while some of what we saw last night was just due to the huge talent difference, Schumann definitely does a better job of using the tools and variations in the scheme the right way.

 

[BamaInBham]

Hurts, Tua, mac and Bryce all committed to Bama before BOB was even a rumored possibility, and Kiffin and Sark had the same playbooks and were running the same 'pro-style' offense as BOB. The difference is in how the prior coaches used the playbook and the players. They were both much more willing to leverage the short and intermediate passing game and to use way more formations (still pro-style with 3 WR, a TE and RB, just spread out, and putting different guys with different abilities in different spots to create mismatches), where BOB really will either run, or setup longer developing routes.

As for the OL, think about how much harder it is to block when there is no short passing game. It's either run block, or setup to have to hold for longer developing routes, versus a quick route to get the ball out and into the hands of a playmaker

I know the timing of all of the matters you brought up about the history. I was not equating pro-style offense and O'Brien, just noting that that is what he is and it's likely that Saban is going to be looking for someone similar in philosophy. Of course, that can be true and they can be a better OC but IMO, it's not guaranteed.

IMO, these have been the 2 weakest OL's that I can remember in Saban's tenure - even with the OC shortcomings. At least 2007 had Andre Smith and Mike Johnson and Caldwell (I think).

Btw, I'm not claiming that O'Brien is a great OC or even a good college one, just that there are other issues that have also contributed to Bama's current offensive state, but there are many who think an OC upgrade will fix everything. IMO, it will not. Of course, CNS knows this, but can he fix all of the problems. He has in the past - that's the only hope. I'm more concerned about the overall toughness of the program, which has never been a problem, and the defense.

 

[BamaMoon]

After watching the game last night, CNS needs to immediately back a Brinks truck up to Glen Schumann's house and bring him home. That defense is what ours should look like.

I probably should know this but UGA's DC Schumann is a Bama boy?

Do we give him or Kirby credit for "simplifying" CNS's scheme? Shoot, it doesn't matter if he can do it better than Gol*ing then bring him home!

 

[4Q Basket Case]

No way. He'll have plenty of opportunities. He won't need the clinic.

I'm not so sure. He was fired from Texas Tech, his alma mater. Two months later, he was the surprise hire of the Arizona Cardinals. The idea was that he would develop Kyler Murray. Which kinda-sorta worked for a while until Murray decided he didn't need to develop anymore -- I mean, how many professional players have hours of film study written into their second contract?

Now, Kingsbury's fired from Arizona, having had only one decent season out of four. He might not be willing to swallow his pride and go from an NFL head coach to a college assistant. But if he can, and if he can modify his style from basketball on grass to what Saban is looking for, I think he could be a good addition along the lines of Kiffin.

If he's too wedded to that style, then it wouldn't be a fit at OC. But he still might be a fit as an analyst or GA to develop QB's passing abilities -- if he would take that job.

 

[TideEngineer08]

Looks like Lovie Smith has been let go

It seems he won... too much?

 

[gtgilbert]

I know the timing of all of the matters you brought up about the history. I was not equating pro-style offense and O'Brien, just noting that that is what he is and it's likely that Saban is going to be looking for someone similar in philosophy. Of course, that can be true and they can be a better OC but IMO, it's not guaranteed.

IMO, these have been the 2 weakest OL's that I can remember in Saban's tenure - even with the OC shortcomings. At least 2007 had Andre Smith and Mike Johnson and Caldwell (I think).

Btw, I'm not claiming that O'Brien is a great OC or even a good college one, just that there are other issues that have also contributed to Bama's current offensive state, but there are many who think an OC upgrade will fix everything. IMO, it will not. Of course, CNS knows this, but can he fix all of the problems. He has in the past - that's the only hope. I'm more concerned about the overall toughness of the program, which has never been a problem, and the defense.

gotcha, and agree that it's likely Saban will look for someone who is still pretty much "pro-style" in their approach. My real intention was to say that 'pro-style' can really look very different, from guys like Kiffin and Sark, to Daboll and now BOB. All pro-style, but still all very, very different.

I'm somewhat torn on the assessment of the OL. While we certainly had some holes and the overall talent was not what it was in 2020 for sure, I truly believe several things directly attributable to the OC made the situation way worse than it should have been.

1. We consistently ran the play clock down to under 5 seconds before getting the snap off due to slow communications down to the field. that means there is almost no advantage to the OL of the DL not knowing the snap count, AND gives the DL more time to recover between plays.
2. The overall breadth of the playbook made the schematics of defending us easy. i.e. the other team knew what we are going to do, so could align in the best possible way to try to stop it.
3. Our passing game didn't leverage the short and intermediate routes that would get the ball out of the pocket quickly. We had a lot of long developing routes that required the OL to hold their blocks for a long, long time, and then often, the WRs (except for JAMO and Waddle) couldn't get open since the D knew exactly what the route tree was and sat and waited for where guys were supposed to try to break open), so the OL had to hold even longer as Bryce did Bryce things to make magic happen